Septuagint translations

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OK, How do we 'click' on the super small ones at the end without hiting the one before or after [Wiki reference if available please]

Mark.

[EDIT:I JUST FOUND SOMETHING IN THE PROCESS SO I WILL EDIT MY POST AND STAND ASIDE]

Robert.

Mark.

lets look at pic #3, which two books did you splice together to get this view. I ask because there is only one Septuagint w/Logos Morph. and I did the search [lemma] just as you have shown but my results are totally different. [I.E. which book has the blue text Lemma(Hebrew) Lemma(Greek)]?

[edit: ok I figured out the blu text, but my results are still different]

[edit: pic #4, this is where sometimes I think that we have gone wacky. The verse[gen 4:14] is talking about putting pitch on the inside/outside of the Ark, What does that have to do with a 'house'? Are we saying that the transliteration is leaning towards pitching a house?---This is where we really need to be careful in what we are reading - or are attempting to interpret]

Robert...said enough - Ltr.

Mark Barnes said:

Robert Booth said:

Are we saying that the transliteration is leaning towards pitching a house?

The LXX is a translation, not a transliteration. In Gen 6:14 the Hebrew word used is מִבַּיִת, which the LXX translators translate as ἔσωθεν, and in most English translations is translated as 'inside' in this context. מִבַּיִת has a wide lexical range, and the meaning of 'inside' is relatively rare, but obviously correct in this context. ἔσωθεν doesn't mean 'house', but always means 'inside', which shows the LXX translators understood מִבַּיִת in the same way as the English translators.

Mark,

Yes it should have been translated, Thanks.........All due respects bro, but we are reading a conjecture of two, it is not just בַּיִת byt but also with the preposition of מן mn which makes it מִבַּיִת to logically deduce 'inside a house[building, dwelling, structure]' and it really is not all that rare, I got 510 verses. So when the translator's seen the word they knew enough Hebrew that they read the conjecture and were able to deduce that one does not pitch a house on the inside but the outside.....in this case the Ark, thus my question.... 

But I did state that I wanted to step aside, so I think I will now, God Bless bro……have a good wk-end……..

Thanks for sharing, Robert

Mark Barnes said:

Robert Booth said:

just בַּיִת byt but also with the preposition of מן mn which makes it מִבַּיִת to logically deduce 'inside a house[building, dwelling, structure]' and it really is not all that rare, I got 510 verses

I respectfully disagree. Context is much more important than the preposition in determining meaning in this example. I found 218 occurrences (not 510 verses) where מן is used with בית (you'll need to specify AFAT if you click the link). But the vast majority of these are translated 'house', too (more than 90%). Ignoring the preposition, the Bible Word Study that was referenced above counts 2,043 occurrences of בית, of which (in the ESV) only 10 are translated as inside, and every other occurrence is translated as house, temple, palace, household, etc. Every other English translation has a similar ratio. Where בית does mean 'inside', at least 20% of the time this is without the preposition (e.g. Ex 28:26, 39:19).

So, to be strictly accurate, a meaning of 'inside' is extremely rare without the preposition (0.01% of occurrences), whilst a meaning of inside is merely rare with the preposition (3.7% of occurrences). So the preposition certainly increases the likelihood of a translation of 'inside', but by no means makes it certain.

just בַּיִת byt is just that without a prep or another modifyer, I am in agreement that  ἔσωθεν is a Gr equivolent to מִבַּיִת . So the last sentence is what I was hoping you would understand. So many make this mistake that - well - it's just frightening. Have a g'day!! - Robert.