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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 30 2012 9:58 AM

Sadly, that's a good deal. SSDs haven't come down like I hoped they would. I already have 240 and its nearly filled up.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 11 2012 8:08 AM

Prices aren't down yet, but the specs are looking better & better, per this example.... (ignore the brand, it's the specs that seemed impressive):

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57412213-64/micron-puts-large-capacity-ssd-in-small-package/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title 

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 12 2012 7:54 AM

And if price is not a concern, then capacities are getting bigger:


http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/253636/intel_drives_up_ssd_storage_capacity_to_800gb.html#tk.rss_news

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Darren Loechel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 24 2012 7:14 PM

G'day Bill,

I am studying at Bible College and am about to purchase the Logos original languages software. I am also about to get a new PC and am seriously considering following in your footsteps with an SSD. Would you anticipate a big improvement with a 120 Gb SATA 3 SSD when I am getting an i7-3770 with 8 Gb RAM?

I also have 4 teenage children so anticipate light gaming, and some video editing (though our old PC hasn't allowed this!).

If you have time to give advice on specifying a PC that will last at least 5 years it would help,

Darren

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 24 2012 7:35 PM

Darren Loechel:
Would you anticipate a big improvement with a 120 Gb SATA 3 SSD when I am getting an i7-3770 with 8 Gb RAM?

An SSD will benefit any system compared with a HDD but 120 GB is too small e.g. I currently use 80 GB of a 180 GB SSD with no video files, so I recommend a 180 to 240 GB drive (also, they are faster than a 120 GB).

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 24 2012 7:41 PM

Hi Darren,

I don't want to mislead you that I've gone that route... I'm still plugging away on a Core 2 Duo... likely will for another couple of years before upgrading to something faster.

But I worked in corporate IT for 25 years before retiring to become a full time pastor, & I'm always scanning h/w trends.

Are you talking PC or laptop? I carried a laptop with Logos language tools into all my language classes. Concentrated on learning right-click, left-click rather than on memorizing the lexical form of all the words I might encounter. As a pastor, no regrets... has kept me in touch with languages far more than memory would have with paper books alone.

If a PC, it's so easily upgradeable you can do more later if you don't have $ now.

If a laptop, it's much more of a pain to upgrade, & the service life is generally 3 years vs. 5 for a pc (according to company stats--we puchased 20,000-30,000 pcs & laptops every year). So if you're talking laptop, I'd spend the extra & go 240 SSD vs. 120. Prior to this post, you'll see that some folks have already maxed out a 240Gb SSD.

And for only light gaming, I think you'll find the i5 entirely adequate for L4 & light gaming--and I'd go 240Gb SSD before I spent the i5 to i7 upgrade cost. The biggest bottleneck in the x86 architecture has always been disk speed, not cpu speed. Your pc/laptop could run much, much faster than others with the same chip simply by running a faster disk... That said, you'll want at least 1-2Tb of hard disk storage, too (more if you don't have network storage) for backups, & for archived video projects / files.

Finally, for L4, you'll also want a fast, dedicated graphics card with at least 1Gb of RAM on it. Others will chime in & correct anything I've missed. There are MANY tech-savvy folks in this forum.

Blessings on your path forward!

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Darren Loechel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 24 2012 8:40 PM

thanks Bill and Dave,

It is a PC I want to get, so I will check on the price saving of i5  c.f. i7, and try to get the 240 Gb SSD

Darren

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 24 2012 8:57 PM

Darren Loechel:
It is a PC I want to get,

With a PC  (or a laptop) you could consider a 120 GB SSD with Windows and apps installed + get a large capacity 7200 rpm HDD to archive your video projects (this could be internal or an external eSATA/USB 3). Either way make sure the computer has a USB 3 port as USB 2 is much slower.

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Darren Loechel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 8:17 AM

Thanks Dave,

The board has a USB 3 port.

The video card quoted is a

Gainward GTX560Ti OC Phantom.

Do you know if this is overkill for L4? There are other reputable cards (still 1GB) for nearly AU$100 cheaper.

Also, I see that you have Win7 Home on your laptop and Win7 Pro on your desktop Dave. Is it worth getting Pro?

Darren

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 8:54 AM

I hope to get a laptop and desktop within the next few months, most likely PC - may wait till Windows 8 debuts: Do you recommend the OS and all of Logos be on a SSD? Or just one?

I have Platinum plus lots of other purchases, lots of Greek and Hebrew stuff, etc. (see below)

On my iPhone I have ~3900 books (that includes Perseus, which I rarely use, but it's free!).

If both the OS and all of Logos should go on the SSD, what size SSD should I get? (I know to get a 7200 or faster HDD versus 5400)

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 12:53 PM

Darren Loechel:
Is it worth getting Pro?

Only if you want to encrypt your data with the bit locker or would likely use advanced networking features. Check out the differences.... Most folks don't use even networking beyond remote desktop---which is still included if hidden in the lower version. Rule of thumb here: if you don't know HOW & WHEN you'd use the feature, you probably don't need it.

:-)

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 1:01 PM

 

Eric Weiss:

I hope to get a laptop and desktop within the next few months, most likely PC - may wait till Windows 8 debuts: Do you recommend the OS and all of Logos be on a SSD? Or just one?  ...  <snip> ...  If both the OS and all of Logos should go on the SSD, what size SSD should I get?

 

AFAIK, W8 is a rewrite for a touch UI. If you're thinking touch PC or touch laptop (think tablet), go for W8. Otherwise, W8 might not be worth the wait.

Go for the 180-240Gb SSD as Dave recommended above. I'd commend 240Gb or bigger. Use fast disk for large storage. And I'd put SSD on drive C for both machines.

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Rick Harrell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 1:05 PM

Darren Loechel:
Do you know if this is overkill for L4?

There is no such thing as overkill for Logos 4 - it is the most sluggish program i have, even with ssd and i7 processor, 1 Gig video card and 8 gig memory. With my larger ssd  Logos is back to acceptable performance - I keep everything else i can on my other hard drive.

Thanks to all of you for advice and counsel - the overhaul worked and postponed my assault on my bank account for a Mac desktop. Hopefully my Toshiba will last till I retire.

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 1:25 PM

BillS:

 

Eric Weiss:

I hope to get a laptop and desktop within the next few months, most likely PC - may wait till Windows 8 debuts: Do you recommend the OS and all of Logos be on a SSD? Or just one?  ...  <snip> ...  If both the OS and all of Logos should go on the SSD, what size SSD should I get?

 

AFAIK, W8 is a rewrite for a touch UI. If you're thinking touch PC or touch laptop (think tablet), go for W8. Otherwise, W8 might not be worth the wait.

Go for the 180-240Gb SSD as Dave recommended above. I'd commend 240Gb or bigger. Use fast disk for large storage. And I'd put SSD on drive C for both machines.

So if I designate the SSD as Drive C:, should put the OS and all of Logos + all my Logos Resources on the SSD? Or just the OS and the Logos program files, and put my Logos resources on a large and fast HDD?

 

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 2:06 PM

Eric Weiss:

So if I designate the SSD as Drive C:, should put the OS and all of Logos + all my Logos Resources on the SSD? Or just the OS and the Logos program files, and put my Logos resources on a large and fast HDD?

Dave & others have posted on how to put L4 resources NOT on drive C.... not really supported & non-trivial, IMO.

Designating SSD as Drive C before building the PC will cause all your programs (including Logos) to default to SSD. Speed up all of them.

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Darren Loechel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 5:20 PM

Thanks Bill and Dave,

It sounds like it's worth spending more now on the hardware, so the spec's for the machine so far are:

CPU

Intel i7-3770 Core i7 Processor, 3.4GHz

MB

H77-D3H MVP Gigabyte USB3.0

RAM

Kingston 8GB 4x2 DDR3

HDD

Seagate 3.5" 1TB 7200rpm HDD

DVD

LG DVD Burner 24x

GC

Gainward GTX560Ti OC Phantom

CASE

Casecom JL68R

PSU

Huntkey HKT 750w PSU (2 Years Warranty)

SW

Microsoft Win 7 Pro 64 Bit

Mon

AOC e2450Swh 23.6" Full HD LED

KBM

Logitech MK520 Wireless Combo

Warranty

Parts Assembly + 1 Year warranty

With the addition of the SSD below:

Mach Extreme 240GB SATA3 510-540MBs SSD 2 Years Warranty - $245

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 7:38 PM

Darren Loechel:
spec's for the machine so far are:

Though I'll defer to Dave, that looks like a sweet machine to me. :-)

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 10:07 PM

Darren Loechel:

GC Gainward GTX560Ti OC Phantom

This is overkill and takes out 3 slots instead of 2 (usual for game cards with coolers) or just 1. You need something between a budget card and this that takes 2 slots max. as Logos4 does not have gaming requirements. 1 GB memory is fine. See http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/01-3DMark11-B-Performance,Prix_fpricex100b200,2932.html

Darren Loechel:

SW  Microsoft Win 7 Pro 64 Bit

I got it only because I could run Win XP in a virtual machine for free!

Darren Loechel:
Mach Extreme 240GB SATA3 510-540MBs SSD 2 Years Warranty - $245

A company established in 2010 and with only a 2 yr warranty I would not consider it. Price in the SSD sector indicates quality and low price/low warranty = high risk! A 3 year warranty is standard and Intel offer 5 years on their top models.

EDIT:  If you get your system from a local computer supplier/builder they can pre-install the OS onto the SSD, even if you supply it.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 10:28 PM

Eric Weiss:
So if I designate the SSD as Drive C:, should put the OS and all of Logos + all my Logos Resources on the SSD? Or just the OS and the Logos program files, and put my Logos resources on a large and fast HDD?

If installing the OS yourself just connect the new SSD and Windows installer will do the rest. Have Logos on the SSD, meaning you need 180-240 GB. Don't split Logos between HDD and SSD (having the resources on SSD and the resource index on HDD will rob you of the full benefits of SSD).

You don't have to wait for W8, most vendors will offer you W8 for a small additional fee NOW (check if you have to re-install from scratch).

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Darren Loechel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 25 2012 10:29 PM

Thank you both again! I will check on a different video card and SSD.

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