Logos 3 & Windows 8

Noticed thread => I can't save the workspace in windows 8.

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Hello forum,

I am considering purchasing a new computer and installing Win8 on it.

If I do this I would move Logos 3 to the new computer.

My question is this, has anyone be using Logos 3 on a pc with Win8 as its operating system? If so, have you experienced any difficulties in compatability?

Also, if you know of any previous posts on this subject please direct me to them.

Thank you.

You just might want to upgrade to L5 once the free engine comes out.

am considering purchasing a new computer and installing Win8 on it.

Microsoft has removed the Start button from Windows 8; the user interface and interaction is a bit different.

On a touch screen, can swipe in from the sides for some options.

Several editions of Windows 7 included XP Mode. For Windows 8, Microsoft replaced Virtual PC with Hyper-V, which can be used to create a Windows XP virtual machine => http://4sysops.com/archives/windows-8-xp-mode-part-1-hyper-v/ that would have an older version of Internet Explorer, which is used by Libronix 3 for display rendering.

Microsoft has a Windows 8 comparison page => http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/compare

Windows 8 RT cannot run Logos applications (e.g. Libronix 3, Logos 4/5). See forum for Windows 8 apps from Logos => Windows Store Apps

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422430#Comment_422430

Thanks for your reply. To date I have not used the workspace much so not having it in Win8 would not be a noticeable inconvenience.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422435#Comment_422435

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422578#Comment_422578

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Thanks for the links and the information. One of my main considerations for retaining Win7 is its XP Mode. I have an Epson photo scanner that is in perfect condition that will not run under Vista or Win7.

Tom Geswein

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422629#Comment_422629

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

There will be some very affordable upgrade options available soon. You may not get all the bells and whistles, but you will have the new engine if you upgrade. There are many threads (like this one) that are discussing the details of the upgrade. You may pay a little more jumping from 3 to 5, but it is well worth the small investment.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422629#Comment_422629

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

Yes, you will be able to run L5 without buying anything. As a matter of fact, you can download L4's engine right now for free. I believe that you will have to wait two to three weeks before downloading the free L5 engine. Because you are just downloading the program and not any of the resources, you will not have access to things like Biblical things.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422635#Comment_422635

There will be some very affordable upgrade options available soon. You may not get all the bells and whistles, but you will have the new engine if you upgrade. There are many threads (like this one) that are discussing the details of the upgrade. You may pay a little more jumping from 3 to 5, but it is well worth the small investment.

This is the cross-grade option.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422629#Comment_422629

Tom, I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the engine that runs Logos 5 is going to be a free offer to Logos 3 users?

I have no intention of buying Logos 5.

Like Logos 4, the software engine for Logos 5 will be freely available soon, possibly later this month. Also like Logos 4, to use new features needs new resources with appropriate data. For example, Logos changed reverse interlinear formatting between Libronix 3 and Logos 4. Logos has migrated many Greek resources to Logos Greek Morphology tagging, which enables Morph Search in more resources in Logos 4 and Logos 5.

Thankful for option to use Logos 5 and Libronix 3 at the same time (running both 32 bit applications on 64 bit Windows 7):

My favorite feature in Logos 5 and Logos 4 is visual filter highlighting so can "see" morphological codes in Greek and English using resources in parallel:

Highlighting verbs and things enables quick referencing between Greek and English while showing context in each language.
English is not Greek, both are not Hebrew nor Aramaic. Proper names tend to have a one to one correspondence between languages, but others words cover a range of expression with a variety of nuances.

Visual highlighting shows 7 verbs in Matthew 6:9-13 in the imperative mood. Reverse interlinear has the M in the morphological tagging for iMperative:

Logos Wiki has visual filter examples => http://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters

Logos forum thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/47696.aspx about Greek Tools includes a couple screen shots from Logos resources, which have Greek verbal mood summaries.

Note: on Windows, mouse hover items appear in a pop-up. Thankful can freely use Logos 4 and Logos 5 on my electronic devices running either OS X or Windows. Libronix 3 only runs on Windows; the initial Libronix 3 port to Mac OS X essentially became an eBook reader after Safari 5 upgrade.

There will be some very affordable upgrade options available soon. You may not get all the bells and whistles, but you will have the new engine if you upgrade. There are many threads (like this one) that are discussing the details of the upgrade. You may pay a little more jumping from 3 to 5, but it is well worth the small investment.
This is the cross-grade option.

Logos changed the upgrade rules for Logos 5 packages. The dynamic pricing engine calculates credit for all resource licenses in all package upgrades, including Verbum and minimal crossgrade. Thankful for option to choose different Logos package(s). Noticed Logos 5 Starter package includes 4 of the 16 new Logos 5 data sets plus a number of media resources and Bible Reference resources along with reverse interlinear resources. Logos 5 Starter has many of the Logos 4 minimal crossgrade resources.

The Logos 5 Silver package includes 15 of the 16 new data sets plus more resources. The Gold package has resources for all the new Logos 5 features.

To encourage sales of larger packages, Logos has additional % discount during launch promotion: e.g. up to 30 % off for upgrade to Logos 5 Portfolio package, whose content bundling has changed. The upgrade page shows an icon "New to you" if an upgrade has one or more new resources: e.g. NAC Commentary of 40 volumes has "New" icon when only 1 would be added; personally wish for a count of new resources to appear with "New to you" icon.

Am aware of a Logos 4 Platinum user who is planning a Logos 5 Silver "upgrade" for $ 256.54 since the higher packages do not have enough new useful resources for that user; less expensive to purchase a few resources individually that could include minimal crossgrade for Bible Sense Lexicon. The Silver package includes Theological Lexicons of the Old and New Testaments along with the complete works of Francis A Schaeffer, whose regular prices are more than the dynamic upgrade amount.

Personally upgraded from Logos 4 Platinum to Logos 5 Portfolio; my delta upgrade cost from Diamond to Portfolio was less than 10 % of the combined regular price for a number of items in my wish list. Looking forward to using many "new" resources with Logos 5.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422805#Comment_422805

Thank you for all the work that you put into your reply -the graphs and charts as well as the information.

I will not be upgrading from Logos 3. I have reached the saturation point for both printed as well as electronic resources. What I must now do is to make good use of what I already have.

BTW, I have pretty much decided NOT to upgrade my operating system to Win8 Pro. I spent many hours yesterday and today researching online computer magazines and Windows forums and my conclusion is that it be would better for me to continue with Win7. The only real incentive for me even considering an upgrade to Win8 was the low price of downloading it from Microsoft's website.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422815#Comment_422815

Ah yes, intelligent decision.

I'm centering on L3 plus W7-64/virtual-box for the foreseeable future. L3 was a good place to step off the train. I run L4 but only if it doesn't hiccup (at which point Bob's fire-someone-today will be rigorously applied; perform or else).

calvin cho

may be happen some problem.

win8 can't enhanced to L3.

you can't use some function.

for example, workspace file didn't save.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422815#Comment_422815

BTW, I have pretty much decided NOT to upgrade my operating system to Win8 Pro.

Wise decision. It's not compatible with Libronix (L3). Stay with Windows 7 for as long as you can.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430399#Comment_430399

Dave,

Thanks for the tip. I did not know that Win8 is not compatible with Libronix 3 but it does not surprise me. One ofthe main problems with updating an OS is that you could find yourself unable to use valuable software.

I have both Win7 Ultimate and Vista Ultimate. Libronix 3 is compatible with both so I will stick with them.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430549#Comment_430549

I have both Win7 Ultimate and Vista Ultimate. Libronix 3 is compatible with both so I will stick with them.

And stick with IE9 which is the engine for Libronix! IE10 is not compatible with Libronix.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430609#Comment_430609

Now that’s disappointing news. I was looking forward to downloading and installing IE10.

I don’t understand your saying that IE9 is the engine for Libronix.

I thought each ‘version’ of Logos had its own engine.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430617#Comment_430617

Now that’s disappointing news. I was looking forward to downloading and installing IE10.

I don’t understand your saying that IE9 is the engine for Libronix.

I thought each ‘version’ of Logos had its own engine.

Yes and no. Each version of Logos does have its own engine, but each engine uses part of the OS. Libronix is dependent on IE, and IE10 and Libronix do not play together, and Logos has said that they are not updating Libronix for IE10.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430617#Comment_430617

I thought each ‘version’ of Logos had its own engine.

Libronix 3.0g using the Internet Explorer (IE) engine with javascript rendering for on screen display. The IE 9 patch is a registry setting to use older javascript.

In contrast, Logos 4 uses .NET Framework 3.5 with Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF). Logos 5 uses .NET Framework 4.5 with WPF. Microsoft does not support .NET Framework 4.5 on Windows XP so Logos 5 needs Windows Vista or newer.

The Libronix 3 port for Mac OS X used Safari 4 for display rendering with javascript. Apple did not provide an older javascript option in Safari 5 so the Logos for Mac v 1.2.2 application essentially became an eBook reader on OS X. Similar effect is happening to Libronix 3.0g with IE 10 in Windows 8.

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/422815#Comment_422815

BTW, I have pretty much decided NOT to upgrade my operating system to Win8 Pro.

Good decision. There is no need for it on any computer that does not have a touchscreen. Consumers who buy off the shelf computers will be stuck with what is essentially a touchscreen interface on a computer with no touchscreen.

Businesses will probably avoid Win8 like they did Vista.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430696#Comment_430696

I think to download and install Mozilla Fox as a 2nd browser to use for surfing the internet. It receives regular security updates so would be safer than using IE9 since MS would probably not be releasing security updates for it after the release of IE10.

Does anyone know for sure what MS plans to do regarding security updates for IE9 after its release of IE10?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430795#Comment_430795

Does anyone know for sure what MS plans to do regarding security updates for IE9 after its release of IE10?

IE9 will still be supported as is IE8.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430617#Comment_430617

I don’t understand your saying that IE9 is the engine for Libronix.

That was a little sloppy. Internet Explorer (IE) is the engine for Libronix. The last version of Libronix (3.0g) is compatible with IE8 but IE9 required a simple registry fix (the IE9 Fix). Libronix is no longer supported so it will remain incompatible with IE10.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430876#Comment_430876

Thanks Dave, especially for the info about IE9 still being supported by MS. I will stick with IE9.

Chris De'Ath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430876#Comment_430876

Hi everyone.

I have just updated to Win8 and successfully reinstalled Libronix 3. When asked to create an account in account manager, I selected "Existing User" and then "Enter Codes".... after putting in my user ID and confirmation code (I know I have the correct ones, but even tried slightly different variations), absolutely NOTHING happens when "NEXT" is clicked.

Am I right in assuming this is because of Libronix needing part of the older IE engine for this process to be completed? Or is there something I'm missing?

Thanks!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434024#Comment_434024

Am I right in assuming this is because of Libronix needing part of the older IE engine for this process to be completed? Or is there something I'm missing?

Yes, you can install it, but Libronix is incompatible with Windows 8/ IE10. If you wish to continue and provide feedback then

install the IE9-fix --> http://community.logos.com/forums/t/30926.aspx
if it doesn't repair the functionality you know Libronix is incompatible (a similar problem exists with other dialog boxes)
I was able to specify a backup licence file to get through this...

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/430399#Comment_430399

Wise decision. It's not compatible with Libronix (L3). Stay with Windows 7 for as long as you can.

Hi Dave, you seem to be the guy with the answers regarding L3.

I was just reading up on IE10 compatibility mode.

I do not have a Win8 machine to experiment with right now. Have you looked at this yet?

These instructions are supposed to work for websites:

1.) Right click on the top bar within IE10 and check, "Menu bar"
2.) Click on "tools" --> compatibility view settings
3.) Check, "display all websites in compatibility mode"

I have no idea if that would affect a program like L3. But I suspect that if the compatibility mode is there (it is), and it fixes the problem (who knows?), Then it would be worth finding out how to launch L3 with IE10 in this mode.

No plans here to move to Win8, but knowing if it is possible would be nice.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434024#Comment_434024

Hi everyone.

I have just updated to Win8 and successfully reinstalled Libronix 3. When asked to create an account in account manager, I selected "Existing User" and then "Enter Codes".... after putting in my user ID and confirmation code (I know I have the correct ones, but even tried slightly different variations), absolutely NOTHING happens when "NEXT" is clicked.

Am I right in assuming this is because of Libronix needing part of the older IE engine for this process to be completed? Or is there something I'm missing?

Thanks!

Chris, If you would not mind being a Guinea Pig, could you add the following registry key and see what happens?

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\MAIN\FeatureControl\FEATURE_BROWSER_EMULATION]
"LDLS.exe"=dword:00001f40

If it then works, let us know [:D]

Chris De'Ath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434049#Comment_434049

Hey again!

Neither the IE9 fix, or the quoted regedit fixed the issue =(... I tried the IE9 fix, restarted and nothing changed. Then tried the above regedit, restarted and nothing changed,

Are there any other options?

If not, what are my options for updating from Libronix 3?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434040#Comment_434040

3.) Check, "display all websites in compatibility mode"

No change

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434064#Comment_434064

If not, what are my options for updating from Libronix 3?

1. If you never owned a Logos 4 Base Package then you must get a Crossgrade to Logos 4 ($114.95) -->https://www.logos.com/product/28576/logos-4-minimal-crossgrade

This gives you enough resources and features to enjoy Logos 4 together with your existing resources (some older Logos 2 resources might not be compatible with L4) Also note that PBB books are not compatible with L4, but you can build your own Personal Books in L4.

You will see an Upgrade button but you can only purchase Base Packages for Logos 5, now. So if you want to take that step at minimal cost then get the Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade --> https://www.logos.com/product/28376/logos-5-minimal-crossgrade

This will give you all the new features of Logos 5 and is much cheaper than upgrading to the Gold package which also has all the features. If you already have any of the resources then the cost will be lower than $159.95.

It's important to note that you must get the L4 Crossgrade in order to get the L5 Crossgrade or any other Logos 5 Package.

2. If you already own a Logos 4 Base Package then you can consider an Upgrade to Logos 5 --> https://www.logos.com/upgrade

Again, if want all the features at minimal cost then consider the Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade which is the first option on the Upgrade page.

Carefully study the resources and features you will be getting in each package (incl. Crossgrade) and ask back here if there are any concerns.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434064#Comment_434064

Hey again!

Neither the IE9 fix, or the quoted regedit fixed the issue =(... I tried the IE9 fix, restarted and nothing changed. Then tried the above regedit, restarted and nothing changed,

Are there any other options?

If not, what are my options for updating from Libronix 3?

Chris, I have L3 running on Win8. If you are still interested see this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/61297.aspx

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434024#Comment_434024

Hi everyone.

I have just updated to Win8 and successfully reinstalled Libronix 3. When asked to create an account in account manager, I selected "Existing User" and then "Enter Codes".... after putting in my user ID and confirmation code (I know I have the correct ones, but even tried slightly different variations), absolutely NOTHING happens when "NEXT" is clicked.

Am I right in assuming this is because of Libronix needing part of the older IE engine for this process to be completed? Or is there something I'm missing?

Thanks!

I have tested on Win8 and cannot find a problem with the account manager. It is possible that this is not a Win8 issue for you, but a Admin rights issue.

Try running this command from the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Libronix DLS\System" folder:

LdlsAdmn /a YourUserName

Where YourUserName is your Windows login name.

If you get a message that says it was successful, then try the account manager again. Let us know if this fixes it.

Chris De'Ath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/434619#Comment_434619

Nope it does not fix the issue with Account Manager. I will try a fresh install from the zip file you linked in your thread and come back with more information!

Thanks so much for helping everyone

---EDIT---

Try running this command from the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Libronix DLS\System" folder:

LdlsAdmn /a YourUserName

Where YourUserName is your Windows login name.

If you get a message that says it was successful, then try the account manager again. Let us know if this fixes it.

I have re installed from the zip you linked to. Tried applying IE9 fix... and doing what is quoted... but Account Manager still does not allow me to get past the "Existing User / Enter Codes" screen. I see that people got past this by using the "From a Backup" option. Is there a way of editing an existing Libronix Lisence backup file so that I could enter in my lisence codes etc? That's probably pushing it I know - I just wondered?