Help with Bible Sense Lexicon

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2012 4:56 PM

Hey there.

First, let me say that my questions are real and not meant to provoke, be argumentative or theological in nature. I'm asking to understand better how to use the tool and Logos overall.

 

I was reading Col 4:6 and thought I'd check out the BSL on Grace. I clicked open the interlinear pane and noticed that Grace was 'grace (outworking).' Fair enough. I then clicked on the words 'grace (outworking)' which opened the BSL. In the left column, I clicked the hyperlink to open a BWS on charis. In the Senses section of the BWS, it advises that there are 7 senses for the word charis. 

At this point, I simply wanted to see the verses that BSL attributed to each sense. But I cannot figure out how. For example, next to 'thanks', I see the chart that shows 13 verses attributed to this sense.

How can I open those verses to read?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 5:07 PM

Tom Castle:
How can I open those verses to read?

That feature has been suggested but is not currently available.

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 5:08 PM

MJ. Smith:

Tom Castle:
How can I open those verses to read?

That feature has been suggested but is not currently available.

Ahhh... what a bummer. Any established workarounds?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 5:15 PM

Tom Castle:
Any established workarounds?

Basically do a Bible search using the original language lemma with a sense number at the front.

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 5:21 PM

I'm likely wearing on your patience, MJ. For that I apologize. Can you post an example of the search you're suggesting? I understand the bible search using the lemma... but a sense number? Where would I get that?

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 8:05 PM

Bump 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 8:43 PM

Because I don't know Greek or Hebrew I take the long route. Big Smile

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 17 2012 5:06 AM

MJ & Tom

That 1 in the BWS is from the Lexicon, which contains multiple definitions of the word. It is not a sense #.

I know of no easy way to accomplish what Tom is seeking here.

 

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 17 2012 6:48 AM

Yeah... Wondering if one of the Logos scholars that deal with this stuff would chime in.... It'd be super helpful and being able to see the verses that each sense of the word is culled from or assigned to would be REALLY helpful.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 17 2012 2:06 PM

The ability to search cases where a particular sense occurs (regardless of lemma) is a key feature of Bible Sense Lexicon. This "sense concordance" capability is definitely coming soon, so don't lose hope!

Until there, here's the best workaround i can suggest:

  • Start with BWS on a word like "grace"
  • Pick a lemma in the word wheel, like "χάρις" and select it. Now you'll see a concordance below, and the lemma itself is a link to BWS on that lemma.
  • From there you can click on the reference for a verse of interest, and then use the interlinear ribbon to see which sense is used
  • Or, you can look at BWS on that lemma and see the different senses (7 for "χάρις")

You can also type lemmas into the search box for BSL (including strings like "g:charis") and the dropdown will show you all the available senses that lemma expresses.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 17 2012 2:13 PM

Jack Caviness:
That 1 in the BWS is from the Lexicon, which contains multiple definitions of the word.

Thanks for the correction - the highest prioritized  lexicon sense number not the Logos Bible Sense Lexicon sense number.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 17 2012 2:56 PM

MJ. Smith:

Jack Caviness:
That 1 in the BWS is from the Lexicon, which contains multiple definitions of the word.

Thanks for the correction - the highest prioritized  lexicon sense number not the Logos Bible Sense Lexicon sense number.

I think they are better called homonym numbers, since homonyms are separate words with disparate meanings, but senses are variations in meaning of the same word.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 1:08 AM

Todd Phillips:
I think they are better called homonym numbers,

or homographs as homonyms can have differing spellings.

I chuckled at myself: I first type homohymns Wink

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 5:33 AM

MJ. Smith:

Todd Phillips:
I think they are better called homonym numbers,

or homographs as homonyms can have differing spellings.

I chuckled at myself: I first type homohymns Wink

Yes you are right.

Actually, I meant to write Houyhnhnms. Geeked

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 18 2012 6:47 AM

Todd Phillips:
Actually, I meant to write Houyhnhnms. Geeked

OT: "Houyhnhnms contrast strongly with the Yahoos, savage humanoid creatures: whereas the Yahoos represent all that is bad about humans, Houyhnhnms have a stable, calm, reliable and rational society." (my bold)

And Yahoo voluntarily chose the name Yahoo??? Surprise

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