Social / community features in Logos 5 and beyond

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 15 2012 1:38 PM

The Sky Is Falling !!! ...THE SKY IS FALLING !!!

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 15 2012 2:08 PM

BriM:
What happens if one is traveling without internet for a few weeks?

For a test, you can simply turn internet off in Tools—System Settings and see how well L5 works.

BriM:
If it truly does become impossible to 'maintain this functionality'

That will not happen with the current version. If you do not want to have to rely on internet access, then do not upgrade to a version that requires that access.

Schezic:
 The Sky Is Falling !!! ...THE SKY IS FALLING !!!

That is your very best post yet Big Smile

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Samuel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 15 2012 9:01 PM

BriM:

Bob Pritchett:
As a concession to "the missionary with the solar-powered laptop and no Internet connection", and to people who still want an isolated stand-alone software package, you can run the software with Internet access turned off. (It's becoming more and more difficult to maintain this functionality, but we'll try to keep it as long as we can.)

Whilst I agree with the sentiment that we should have the ability to opt out of our data being collected, I'm much more concerned about the direction of making Logos REQUIRE the internet.

My concern here is to ensure that everything I have already purchased continues to be accessible unimpeded even if access to Logos servers was permanently unavailable. It's concerning that you'll only TRY to maintain the ability to run without internet access. What I fear is an increasing reliance on an internet connection to Logos encroaching into the existing core functionality such that features we already enjoy and rely upon are increasingly 'enhanced' by an internet connection.

I agree this is a reasonable concern. While high speed internet seems ubiquitous in some places, it is far from that around the globe. Hopefully Logos takes this into consideration and makes sure that Logos functions well as a desktop application in the future and does not require a constant internet connection for core functionality. I'm not sure why Logos would say it's getting "more and more difficult" to maintain software functionality without a constant internet connection. There's nothing difficult about reading and searching resources we have on our computer which is, I day say, 90% of what Logos users do.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 15 2012 9:39 PM

That was fun, Schezic!  What else you got?

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 15 2012 10:34 PM

Here Ya go, Little Girl. Smile

 

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 16 2012 2:34 AM

Schezic:

The Sky Is Falling !!! ...THE SKY IS FALLING !!!

Ooops... that gets you the award Stick out tongue

"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein

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BriM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 16 2012 4:35 AM

Jack Caviness:

For a test, you can simply turn internet off in Tools—System Settings and see how well L5 works.

I know that Logos 5 works without internet because my travel schedule was such that my Logos install had no internet access for a couple of weeks and it was fine. My worry is that Bob's comment talks of this being a concession and implies that a future version may not be able to do this.

Jack Caviness:

If you do not want to have to rely on internet access, then do not upgrade to a version that requires that access.

Precisely. But the trouble is, I don't know whether a new version still works in the same way until I have it. And once I have it, if it turns out to no longer work like this, I have no way to download the old copy. That's why I was asking for the change to be done at a major release so that we can be informed of the change and choose whether to accept it, rather than it automatically downloading.

I think it's a reasonable request as they will presumably want to charge for the new functionality that needs the constant internet.

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 16 2012 5:47 AM

Patrick S.:
Ooops... that gets you the award Stick out tongue
I respect your right to your opinion. ... You do know the common knowledge about opinions? Smile

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 16 2012 6:15 AM

BriM:
But the trouble is, I don't know whether a new version still works in the same way until I have it.

Do not believe that such a major change in the operation of Logos will come without announcement. Such a major alteration of program operation would also require a major revision to the software.

Perhaps you are reading too much into Bob's comments.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 16 2012 6:32 AM

Bob's almost always already doing what 'he's thinking about doing.'  Kind of like with your spouse, when you know there's going to be 'some discussion'.

Like I said 3 years ago.  You buy electronic books? You're on board with whatever the bookseller wants you to do. Else dump your electronic books.

"Christian" company. No such thing.  Christians, yes.  And with Logos, do the math.

It's easy.


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Dean J | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 18 2012 6:52 AM

Ronald Quick:

Bob Pritchett:
As a concession to "the missionary with the solar-powered laptop and no Internet connection", and to people who still want an isolated stand-alone software package, you can run the software with Internet access turned off. (It's becoming more and more difficult to maintain this functionality, but we'll try to keep it as long as we can.)

Bob,

PLEASE continue to allow Logos to function without being connected to the Internet.  I don't mind being connected for updates, resource purchases, syncing, etc., but there are many times that I am not connected to the Internet.  I don't want to HAVE to be online for Logos to function.  This is really an important issue for me.

Thanks,

Ron

It's a biggie for me too.

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 18 2012 4:35 PM

Bob:

You need to read "The Shallows," in a bad way. I know you think community is the future --and that it's an unmitigated good.

But as a network engineer, I can tell you that once your end users start actually paying for the bandwidth they use, they're all going to reconsider the "cool factor," of all this sharing.

And as a scholar, I can paraphrase what C.S. Lewis said many years ago -- "if Shakespeare were alive today, we'd cure him by the time he left elementary school." How can you cure a Shakespeare? By putting him on Facebook. And all you're doing here is trying to make Logos the Facebook of Bible study.

Don't "try to make it a goal" to add value without a connection to the Internet, make it a priority, an absolute must. Don't "think about allowing people to turn the social pieces off," make it a priority. We live in a world where applications are now being sold to take you off of the Internet for periods of time so you can get work done.

Personally, I would suggest you not bet the future of your company on social media. These things are like pendulums. There's a nice swing going in one direction right now, but it's going to swing back. The last thing I want is for Logos to be crushed under the swing away from social media and the "share everything all the time with everyone" mentality, which would cost me an $42,000 investment.

It's not just your business you're playing with here.

Russ

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