Complete Index to Spurgeon's Sermons (Logos Edition)

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2013 2:22 PM

Dave:
How did you put this together so fast? I'm thinking of compiling an index for Piper's and, soon, Keller's sermon manuscript libraries but I know no method which isn't prohibitively labor-intensive.

Didn't Logos3 have an AUTOMATIC feature to produce an index of all scriptures used in a particular resource? Reference Browser? is it implemented in any way in L4/5?

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2013 2:23 PM

Mark, thank you very much!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 19 2013 3:07 PM

toughski:
is it implemented in any way in L4/5?

I've made them for lectionaries with a copy to put the text in a clipboaard and then Passage list with an add from clipboard. Imperfect but it meets my immediate needs.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 22 2013 10:42 AM

toughski:
Didn't Logos3 have an AUTOMATIC feature to produce an index of all scriptures used in a particular resource? Reference Browser? is it implemented in any way in L4/5?

My hope is to run a search to find all the sermons that Spurgeon preached on a particular passage. I don't want the sermons he preached that merely reference the passage in question as a cross reference. Therefore, automatically finding every reference to a passage is counterproductive to me. I'm specifically looking to exclude most Scripture references in the collection.

The index Mark put together allows me to focus only on those instances when the passage in question was the main focus of Spurgeon's sermon. Now all I need to do is to create similar indicies for my other favorite preachers (Piper, Keller (when his sermons come out), etc).

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2013 4:58 AM

Thanks Mark.

Blessings in Christ.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2013 8:06 PM

Mark,

I'm working on an index of Jonathan Edwards' sermons and have run into a sticking point: I'm having trouble with the PBB not recognizing resource link offsets. I notice that in the Spurgeon index you used a different link structure which allowed you to link to chapter headings. Where can I find documentation on that?

Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 24 2013 3:34 PM

Dave:
I'm working on an index of Jonathan Edwards' sermons and have run into a sticking point: I'm having trouble with the PBB not recognizing resource link offsets. I notice that in the Spurgeon index you used a different link structure which allowed you to link to chapter headings. Where can I find documentation on that?

That's a good question. There isn't any, as far as I know.

All I'm doing is linking to headings rather than page numbers. The difficulty comes in knowing how each heading is referenced. There's an easy method and a hard method. Thankfully, if you're talking about the sermons in Jonathan Edwards' works, volume 2, the easy method will work.

Easy method:

  1. Find a link that you want to replicate (the 'printed' table of contents at the beginning of a resource is the obvious place to look).
  2. Select that link (or the entire TOC), choose print/export from the resource menu, and send it to Microsoft Word (if you don't have Word, copy it to the clipboard instead, and paste it into your word processor of choice). Note that you can't copy from the right-click menu, you must do it from the print/export screen.
  3. Once the link/TOC is in Word, you can see the hyperlink displayed as a hover, and you can edit the hyperlink to copy it to the clipboard. For example, JE's Sinners in the Hands of an angry God is logosres:wrkjonedwrds2;pos=DIV1.SERM2

Hard method:

Only use the hard method if you can't find a link in the resource that you can copy/paste (i.e. if the only 'link' is in the TOC you can turn on/off from the resource menu, and there's no TOC at the beginning of the resource). I'll use the 'Application' sub-heading to Sinners in the Hands as an example, as the sub-headings aren't included in the 'printed' TOC.

  1. Go to the right heading, by clicking on it in the TOC at the left of the resource.
  2. Copy that heading to the clipboard (this time you should use the right-click menu).
  3. Open up a clipboard monitoring program like CLCL.
  4. Ensure that the Libronix.DigitalLibrary.ResourceTextRangeDropData type is selected in the left-hand pane.
  5. In the righthand pane, look for the text that begins 'StartPosition=Article%3d'. Everything after this text, but before the next % sign is your position. In this case it's DIV1.SERM2.APPL
  6. Back in Logos, copy the current location to the clipboard. You'll get a location with an offset, like this: logosres:wrkjonedwrds2;ref=Page.p_9;off=3191
  7. Delete everything after the semi-colon and replace it with 'pos=', and then the string you wrote down in (5). So in our example, it's logosres:wrkjonedwrds2;pos=DIV1.SERM2.APPL

Whichever method you choose, if you're constructing an index, you'll probably quickly spot a pattern to the links which will allow you to more quickly create your index without too much copy/pasting.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 24 2013 6:29 PM

Fantastic Mark, thanks!

You might want to add that to the wiki.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 24 2013 7:17 PM

Dave:
You might want to add that to the wiki.

Thanks. I added a link to this post, instead.

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2013 5:18 PM

Dave,

Any chance you can post your doc on the files forum when you are finished? It would be great to have an index of Pipers and Edwards sermons.

Thanks!

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2013 6:05 PM

Liam Walsh:
Any chance you can post your doc on the files forum when you are finished? It would be great to have an index of Pipers and Edwards sermons.

It's going to be a lot more than Piper and Edwards. Give me a few weeks and I'll have them up.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 4 2013 5:57 PM

Mark,

Would you mind if I posted a modified version of your Spurgeon sermon index on my sermon indices page (retaining your credit in the file)? I've removed 2 of the sections to avoid redundant search results.

Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 5 2013 10:21 AM

Dave Moser:
Would you mind if I posted a modified version of your Spurgeon sermon index on my sermon indices page (retaining your credit in the file)? I've removed 2 of the sections to avoid redundant search results.

That's absolutely fine.

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Gao Lu | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 7:09 AM

Finally got around to adding this now that I have Spurgeon's sermons.  Thanks!

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James William Roberts, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 8:42 AM

Could one combine all the sermon indexes to include all the sermons by various authors and have it show you what you may have in your own library to use?

I've been working at one and it is tedious to try and keep all the scriptures together as they should be.

https://sites.google.com/a/oldpaths.org.uk/oldpaths-the-sword-of-the-spiritthe-word-of-god--eph-617b/personal-books/jamesroberts-docx

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 8:46 AM

The newish sermons section of the Passage Guide aims to do this in Logos 5 and 6. These indexes are less necessary now.

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Gao Lu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 5:18 AM

Soon I hope.  For Ps 23:1-6, The Sermon Starter Guide picks up 6 hits total, all from Spurgeon. My own index picks up 43, 16 from Spurgeon alone.    

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 5:38 AM

Gao Lu:
My own index picks up 43, 16 from Spurgeon alone.

My index (this one) picks up the same 6 Spurgeon ones as Logos. Where are your extra ones coming from?

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Gao Lu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 3:30 PM

Closer analysis reveals...

In my Spurgeon Index I  have 16 hits in 12 articles.  6 of those are index hits, pointing dutifully to the actual sermons.  

It's beginning to look like Logos Index wins over the Spurgeon Index hands down.  

But enter the Bible Study Index.  It actually picks up 41 articles from my library.  A few are repeats of Spurgeon and not a few devotionals.  Maybe quality hits are a function of the definition of "sermon."  When I want sermons I don't really want sparse outlines or devotionals or book chapters.  My Index produces unwanted and "iffy" stuff."

Here's the good stuff my own index picked up:

  • Several good devotionals that are relevant to sermons. A devotional collection would pick these up.  Maybe they don't qualify as sermons.
  • FB Meyer - "the Shepherd Lord"    Heritage of Great Evangelical Teaching
  • FB Meyer - "The Banquet"          HGET
  • Rufus Jones "He Babbled of Green Fields"  The Treasury of Great Preaching
  • Martin Luther "The Lord is..."   HGET
  • Chip Ingram "In Time of Crisis"  Finding God when you need Him most (I think this qualifies as a sort of sermon)
  • Muller  "On the 23rd Psalm"   Jehovah Magnified:Addresses  (Sermon?  or Address?)
  • Nelson's Annual Preachers Sourcebook (more source material or outlines than sermon, but valuable)
  • A few good book hits - arguably more book-ish than sermon-ish

  Conclusion:

Logos Index is narrow and the quality of hits high.  But for Ps 23, all I get is Spurgeon (who is very good!).  My own Index is broader and produces quite a few "iffy" hits, but I also pick up some good stuff I wouldn't want to miss.  

   

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