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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Apr 22 2013 11:30 AM

I'm on a Mac and would love to see this asap.... any timeframe?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:05 PM

Mike Tourangeau:

I'm on a Mac and would love to see this asap.... any timeframe?

I would like to know too. Smile It is my understanding that Logos needed a new "notes engine" before that would be able to work on Mac. The current beta has implemented the new engine, but in many areas it is a step backwards from the "current" one. I guess sometimes you have to take a step backwards before you can go forwards, right? Stick out tongue

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:07 PM

Can you be more specific? I've always wanted a "cite type" that copies the URL location as the cite, rather than a footnote type, specifically so I can paste quotes into external software and have a link back to the resource in Logos. I know you can do this by copying, pasting, then copying the url (through the menu in the top left of the resource), then switching back to the other software and pasting the url to the location in Logos, but this has always been a lot of work --more work than it should be.

When you say, "automatic hyperlinking," what specifically are you asking for?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:09 PM

Russ White:
When you say, "automatic hyperlinking," what specifically are you asking for?

On the PC version of Logos, when you type a scripture reference in a note, it is automatically hyperlinked to that passage… this isn't true on Mac, due to limitations of the notes engine. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:11 PM

Russ White:
I've always wanted a "cite type" that copies the URL location as the cite, rather than a footnote type, specifically so I can paste quotes into external software and have a link back to the resource in Logos. I know you can do this by copying, pasting, then copying the url (through the menu in the top left of the resource), then switching back to the other software and pasting the url to the location in Logos, but this has always been a lot of work --more work than it should be.

"Logosres" will do this, depending upon the software you are using. If you own the peacemaker, by Ken Sande, this link will take you there:

logosres:375b55b4ad576d081fa2549bcf1d10e2;art=r8;off=67 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:16 PM

alabama24:

Russ White:
When you say, "automatic hyperlinking," what specifically are you asking for?

On the PC version of Logos, when you type a scripture reference in a note, it is automatically hyperlinked to that passage… this isn't true on Mac, due to limitations of the notes engine. 

I think this functionality is part of the current beta - Logos are doing their own notes editor now (which means all the OS-facilitated features are gone, I heard Mackies cry about a spell checker or so...) which features exactly what you wrote.

A caveat for those who want to try: in current beta exactly that and no more means, i.e. typing and then seeing the reference hyperlinked (which seems to work because they parse the text when someone hits "space"), not pasting a page from a commentary and seeing all the dozens of refernces linked. Hopefully in next beta.

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:17 PM

I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type... You must be on a beta version? If so, at least it's good to know this capability is coming.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:20 PM

Russ White:

I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type... You must be on a beta version? If so, at least it's good to know this capability is coming.

You are on a Mac, right? This works on windows for a long time, I think. Logos are contemplating a workaround which works over their servers to become OS-independent.

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:25 PM

NB.Mick:

Russ White:

I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type... You must be on a beta version? If so, at least it's good to know this capability is coming.

You are on a Mac, right? This works on windows for a long time, I think. Logos are contemplating a workaround which works over their servers to become OS-independent.

Nope -- Win7, latest Logos...

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:42 PM

Russ White:
I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type

Copy as Wiki will get that for you

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 12:54 PM

Jack Caviness:
Copy as Wiki will get that for you

Two things:

1. This is only accessible from the info menu on the left side of the resource, not as a default citation type. I can get a link from that menu, but to go through the process again, if I'm building a lot of information for a research paper or other work, I don't care about the author/etc, in the first cut, rather I want to know how to get back to the place I copied it from quickly. The way I have to do this now is to copy the quote, switch to the external software, paste the quote, switch back to logos, copy the url out of this information menu, switch back to the external software, then paste the url location. This takes a good bit of time --it would be better to have a custom or link cite type that would allow us to build research resources without switching back and forth multiple times.

BTW, this is the most common reply to my request for a url or custom cite type --but it's based on a misunderstanding of what I'm asking for. I'm not asking for the ability to copy the url location, I'm asking for the ability to copy the url as a citation type as part of the copy/paste process.

2. The wiki type is not the same as the url type.

[[1 Peter 1:3 >> logosres:bkc;ref=Bible.1Pe1.3]]

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logosres:esv;ref=BibleESV.1Pe1.3;off=200

Different things altogether --the one will actually create a link that MS Word, OneNote, etc, will be able to use to go directly to the resource. The other is a wiki resource link, which you can paste into a wiki page, and that link, when processed through a wiki front end, will take you to the right place.

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Thanks for the reply.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 1:08 PM

Russ White:
I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type...

Use "URL"… this feature has been around as long as I have used Logos! It works in Windows much better than on Mac. You should be able to select a word or phrase in Word, create a "hyperlink," paste the logosres into the hyperlink area and have an automatic link to your logos resource from within Logos! 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 1:11 PM

NB.Mick:
I think this functionality is part of the current beta

By "this functionality" you mean auto hyperlinking? It isn't working on mine, and I don't believe it is working for other users on Mac yet, but I could be wrong about that.

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 2:19 PM

alabama24:

Russ White:
I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type...

Use "URL"… this feature has been around as long as I have used Logos! It works in Windows much better than on Mac. You should be able to select a word or phrase in Word, create a "hyperlink," paste the logosres into the hyperlink area and have an automatic link to your logos resource from within Logos! 

I'm not asking for the ability to copy a url to the location.

I'm asking for the url to be an option as a citation type, or for there to be custom citation type that allows us to include/not include any part of the information about the citation we're copying from as part of the citation itself.

To repeat myself:

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This is only accessible from the info menu on the left side of the resource, not as a default citation type. I can get a link from that menu, but to go through the process again, if I'm building a lot of information for a research paper or other work, I don't care about the author/etc, in the first cut, rather I want to know how to get back to the place I copied it from quickly. The way I have to do this now is to copy the quote, switch to the external software, paste the quote, switch back to logos, copy the url out of this information menu, switch back to the external software, then paste the url location. This takes a good bit of time --it would be better to have a custom or link cite type that would allow us to build research resources without switching back and forth multiple times.

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You should try this sometime --go through a book, copying ten or fifteen different quotes and paste them into Word, or OneNote, or Evernote. Then, for each quote, get the URL so you can link back into Logos for that specific quote to find it in the original context quickly. It gets tedious very quickly. And yet --there's no other way to get a direct link back to the location of the quote within Logos. The normal cite information can't be pasted into the search bar to get back to the same place (the citations are most often wrong, and the search engine can't find a location based on a citation).

Again, the ability to pull down the menu on the left side and copy the url separately from the actual quote doesn't resolve the problem I'm trying to fix. I really think the url location needs to be a default citation type, or there needs to be a custom citation type that allows you to build just the information you want for getting back to the resource quickly.

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 2:29 PM

Since there's so much misunderstanding about what I've been asking for (and I thought Bob had said at one point he was going to build this in), let me give an example. Suppose I copy a quote from a book and paste it into a Word document, or someplace else, today. This is what I get:

1:3. The contemplation of God’s grace caused Peter to praise God, the Author of salvation and the Source of hope. The words Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ are identical in 2 Corinthians 1:3. The phrase in His great mercy refers to God’s unmerited favor toward sinners in their hopeless condition. He has given us new birth; people can do nothing to merit such a gift. The words “has given … new birth” translate anagennēsas, from the verb “beget again” or “cause to be born again.” It is used only twice in the New Testament, both times in this chapter (1 Peter 1:3, 23). Peter may have been recalling Jesus’ interview with Nicodemus (John 3:1–21). The “new birth” results in   V 2, p 841  a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

Roger M. Raymer, "1 Peter", in , vol. 2, The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures ( ed. J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck;Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1985), 840-41.

Great --now how do I go find that quote again in Logos? I could manually open the BKS, volume2, and go to page 840, then try and find the quote on the page. Or, I can copy a URL to the location, which includes the correct offset into the book to take me right to that quote. But to get the url, what I must do is:

1. Switch back to Logos.

2. Open the left hand side menu and select "url."

3. Switch back to the other software.

4. Find the right location on the page, and paste the url into the document, probably just below the citation copied with the quote.

5. Switch back to Logos and continue reading.

This might not sound like a lot, but it's actually a real pain. Instead, when I copy and paste a quote, I want a citation that looks like this:

1:3. The contemplation of God’s grace caused Peter to praise God, the Author of salvation and the Source of hope. The words Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ are identical in 2 Corinthians 1:3. The phrase in His great mercy refers to God’s unmerited favor toward sinners in their hopeless condition. He has given us new birth; people can do nothing to merit such a gift. The words “has given … new birth” translate anagennēsas, from the verb “beget again” or “cause to be born again.” It is used only twice in the New Testament, both times in this chapter (1 Peter 1:3, 23). Peter may have been recalling Jesus’ interview with Nicodemus (John 3:1–21). The “new birth” results in   V 2, p 841  a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

Roger M. Raymer, "1 Peter", in , vol. 2, The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures ( ed. J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck;Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1985), 840-41.
logosres:bkc;ref=Bible.1Pe1.3

Or even just some basic information about the book, like this:

1:3. The contemplation of God’s grace caused Peter to praise God, the Author of salvation and the Source of hope. The words Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ are identical in 2 Corinthians 1:3. The phrase in His great mercy refers to God’s unmerited favor toward sinners in their hopeless condition. He has given us new birth; people can do nothing to merit such a gift. The words “has given … new birth” translate anagennēsas, from the verb “beget again” or “cause to be born again.” It is used only twice in the New Testament, both times in this chapter (1 Peter 1:3, 23). Peter may have been recalling Jesus’ interview with Nicodemus (John 3:1–21). The “new birth” results in   V 2, p 841  a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

Raymer, BKS, pp 840-841, logosres:bkc;ref=Bible.1Pe1.3

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 2:35 PM

Russ White:
I'm asking for the url to be an option as a citation type, or for there to be custom citation type that allows us to include/not include any part of the information about the citation we're copying from as part of the citation itself.

You should develop your idea a little more and submit it as a suggestion in User Voice. To be honest, it has taken me quite a bit to understand what you are trying to say, but I think I have it now. Does this summarize it?

  1. The ability for the citation, which is automatically created when pasting a quote, to use logosres. 
  2. A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info. 

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Russ White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2013 2:43 PM

alabama24:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info. 

This is all that's really needed...

The idea is on uservoice, here:

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-5/suggestions/2302559-add-copy-cite-as-url

But I don't really think anyone understands it --if you're doing a huge research paper, like a thesis, and using Logos as your primary research source, this could make a huge difference in how much time it takes for you to find and arrange the information you need to build your case and references...

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As a workaround, have you considered using something like AutoHotKey (http://www.autohotkey.com/)? I believe you could create a macro that sends the following keystrokes: Ctrl+V (paste into target application), Alt+Tab (switch back to Logos), Ctrl+Alt+C (copy current location as URL), Alt+Tab (switch back to editor), Ctrl+V (paste URL). 

To use it, you could: select text in Logos, copy it to clipboard, switch focus to your editor, then invoke the macro. Although it's not exactly what you're asking for, it should save a bit of repetitive switching back and forth.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 23 2013 2:41 AM

alabama24:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info. 

It would be better if it wasn't 'a new' citation style, but rather a separate Include logosres in citation   Yes/No option that worked with any citation style.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 23 2013 6:04 AM

fgh:

alabama24:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info. 

It would be better if it wasn't 'a new' citation style, but rather a separate Include logosres in citation   Yes/No option that worked with any citation style.

i concur... But the citation style must allow for it. 

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