Any progress on automatic hyperlinking
I'm on a Mac and would love to see this asap.... any timeframe?
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Mike Tourangeau said:
I'm on a Mac and would love to see this asap.... any timeframe?
I would like to know too. [:)]It is my understanding that Logos needed a new "notes engine" before that would be able to work on Mac. The current beta has implemented the new engine, but in many areas it is a step backwards from the "current" one. I guess sometimes you have to take a step backwards before you can go forwards, right? [:P]0 -
Can you be more specific? I've always wanted a "cite type" that copies the URL location as the cite, rather than a footnote type, specifically so I can paste quotes into external software and have a link back to the resource in Logos. I know you can do this by copying, pasting, then copying the url (through the menu in the top left of the resource), then switching back to the other software and pasting the url to the location in Logos, but this has always been a lot of work --more work than it should be.
When you say, "automatic hyperlinking," what specifically are you asking for?
Russ
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Russ White said:
When you say, "automatic hyperlinking," what specifically are you asking for?
On the PC version of Logos, when you type a scripture reference in a note, it is automatically hyperlinked to that passage… this isn't true on Mac, due to limitations of the notes engine.
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Russ White said:
I've always wanted a "cite type" that copies the URL location as the cite, rather than a footnote type, specifically so I can paste quotes into external software and have a link back to the resource in Logos. I know you can do this by copying, pasting, then copying the url (through the menu in the top left of the resource), then switching back to the other software and pasting the url to the location in Logos, but this has always been a lot of work --more work than it should be.
"Logosres" will do this, depending upon the software you are using. If you own the peacemaker, by Ken Sande, this link will take you there:
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alabama24 said:Russ White said:
When you say, "automatic hyperlinking," what specifically are you asking for?
On the PC version of Logos, when you type a scripture reference in a note, it is automatically hyperlinked to that passage… this isn't true on Mac, due to limitations of the notes engine.
I think this functionality is part of the current beta - Logos are doing their own notes editor now (which means all the OS-facilitated features are gone, I heard Mackies cry about a spell checker or so...) which features exactly what you wrote.
A caveat for those who want to try: in current beta exactly that and no more means, i.e. typing and then seeing the reference hyperlinked (which seems to work because they parse the text when someone hits "space"), not pasting a page from a commentary and seeing all the dozens of refernces linked. Hopefully in next beta.
Have joy in the Lord!
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I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type... You must be on a beta version? If so, at least it's good to know this capability is coming.
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Russ White said:
I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type... You must be on a beta version? If so, at least it's good to know this capability is coming.
You are on a Mac, right? This works on windows for a long time, I think. Logos are contemplating a workaround which works over their servers to become OS-independent.Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
You are on a Mac, right? This works on windows for a long time, I think. Logos are contemplating a workaround which works over their servers to become OS-independent.Russ White said:I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type... You must be on a beta version? If so, at least it's good to know this capability is coming.
Nope -- Win7, latest Logos...
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Russ White said:
I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type
Copy as Wiki will get that for you
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Jack Caviness said:
Copy as Wiki will get that for you
Two things:
1. This is only accessible from the info menu on the left side of the resource, not as a default citation type. I can get a link from that menu, but to go through the process again, if I'm building a lot of information for a research paper or other work, I don't care about the author/etc, in the first cut, rather I want to know how to get back to the place I copied it from quickly. The way I have to do this now is to copy the quote, switch to the external software, paste the quote, switch back to logos, copy the url out of this information menu, switch back to the external software, then paste the url location. This takes a good bit of time --it would be better to have a custom or link cite type that would allow us to build research resources without switching back and forth multiple times.
BTW, this is the most common reply to my request for a url or custom cite type --but it's based on a misunderstanding of what I'm asking for. I'm not asking for the ability to copy the url location, I'm asking for the ability to copy the url as a citation type as part of the copy/paste process.
2. The wiki type is not the same as the url type.
[[1 Peter 1:3 >> logosres:bkc;ref=Bible.1Pe1.3]]
verses
logosres:esv;ref=BibleESV.1Pe1.3;off=200
Different things altogether --the one will actually create a link that MS Word, OneNote, etc, will be able to use to go directly to the resource. The other is a wiki resource link, which you can paste into a wiki page, and that link, when processed through a wiki front end, will take you to the right place.
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Thanks for the reply.
:-)
Russ
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Russ White said:
I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type...
Use "URL"… this feature has been around as long as I have used Logos! It works in Windows much better than on Mac. You should be able to select a word or phrase in Word, create a "hyperlink," paste the logosres into the hyperlink area and have an automatic link to your logos resource from within Logos!
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alabama24 said:Russ White said:
I don't have "logosres" as an option for a citation type...
Use "URL"… this feature has been around as long as I have used Logos! It works in Windows much better than on Mac. You should be able to select a word or phrase in Word, create a "hyperlink," paste the logosres into the hyperlink area and have an automatic link to your logos resource from within Logos!
I'm not asking for the ability to copy a url to the location.
I'm asking for the url to be an option as a citation type, or for there to be custom citation type that allows us to include/not include any part of the information about the citation we're copying from as part of the citation itself.
To repeat myself:
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This is only accessible from the info menu on the left side of the resource, not as a default citation type. I can get a link from that menu, but to go through the process again, if I'm building a lot of information for a research paper or other work, I don't care about the author/etc, in the first cut, rather I want to know how to get back to the place I copied it from quickly. The way I have to do this now is to copy the quote, switch to the external software, paste the quote, switch back to logos, copy the url out of this information menu, switch back to the external software, then paste the url location. This takes a good bit of time --it would be better to have a custom or link cite type that would allow us to build research resources without switching back and forth multiple times.
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You should try this sometime --go through a book, copying ten or fifteen different quotes and paste them into Word, or OneNote, or Evernote. Then, for each quote, get the URL so you can link back into Logos for that specific quote to find it in the original context quickly. It gets tedious very quickly. And yet --there's no other way to get a direct link back to the location of the quote within Logos. The normal cite information can't be pasted into the search bar to get back to the same place (the citations are most often wrong, and the search engine can't find a location based on a citation).
Again, the ability to pull down the menu on the left side and copy the url separately from the actual quote doesn't resolve the problem I'm trying to fix. I really think the url location needs to be a default citation type, or there needs to be a custom citation type that allows you to build just the information you want for getting back to the resource quickly.
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Since there's so much misunderstanding about what I've been asking for (and I thought Bob had said at one point he was going to build this in), let me give an example. Suppose I copy a quote from a book and paste it into a Word document, or someplace else, today. This is what I get:
[quote]1:3. The contemplation of God’s grace caused Peter to praise God, the Author of salvation and the Source of hope. The words Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ are identical in 2 Corinthians 1:3. The phrase in His great mercy refers to God’s unmerited favor toward sinners in their hopeless condition. He has given us new birth; people can do nothing to merit such a gift. The words “has given … new birth” translate anagennēsas, from the verb “beget again” or “cause to be born again.” It is used only twice in the New Testament, both times in this chapter (1 Peter 1:3, 23). Peter may have been recalling Jesus’ interview with Nicodemus (John 3:1–21). The “new birth” results in V 2, p 841 a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
Roger M. Raymer, "1 Peter", in , vol. 2, The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures ( ed. J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck;Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1985), 840-41.Great --now how do I go find that quote again in Logos? I could manually open the BKS, volume2, and go to page 840, then try and find the quote on the page. Or, I can copy a URL to the location, which includes the correct offset into the book to take me right to that quote. But to get the url, what I must do is:
1. Switch back to Logos.
2. Open the left hand side menu and select "url."
3. Switch back to the other software.
4. Find the right location on the page, and paste the url into the document, probably just below the citation copied with the quote.
5. Switch back to Logos and continue reading.
This might not sound like a lot, but it's actually a real pain. Instead, when I copy and paste a quote, I want a citation that looks like this:
[quote]1:3. The contemplation of God’s grace caused Peter to praise God, the Author of salvation and the Source of hope. The words Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ are identical in 2 Corinthians 1:3. The phrase in His great mercy refers to God’s unmerited favor toward sinners in their hopeless condition. He has given us new birth; people can do nothing to merit such a gift. The words “has given … new birth” translate anagennēsas, from the verb “beget again” or “cause to be born again.” It is used only twice in the New Testament, both times in this chapter (1 Peter 1:3, 23). Peter may have been recalling Jesus’ interview with Nicodemus (John 3:1–21). The “new birth” results in V 2, p 841 a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
Roger M. Raymer, "1 Peter", in , vol. 2, The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures ( ed. J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck;Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1985), 840-41.
logosres:bkc;ref=Bible.1Pe1.3Or even just some basic information about the book, like this:
[quote]1:3. The contemplation of God’s grace caused Peter to praise God, the Author of salvation and the Source of hope. The words Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ are identical in 2 Corinthians 1:3. The phrase in His great mercy refers to God’s unmerited favor toward sinners in their hopeless condition. He has given us new birth; people can do nothing to merit such a gift. The words “has given … new birth” translate anagennēsas, from the verb “beget again” or “cause to be born again.” It is used only twice in the New Testament, both times in this chapter (1 Peter 1:3, 23). Peter may have been recalling Jesus’ interview with Nicodemus (John 3:1–21). The “new birth” results in V 2, p 841 a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
Raymer, BKS, pp 840-841, logosres:bkc;ref=Bible.1Pe1.3
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Russ White said:
I'm asking for the url to be an option as a citation type, or for there to be custom citation type that allows us to include/not include any part of the information about the citation we're copying from as part of the citation itself.
You should develop your idea a little more and submit it as a suggestion in User Voice. To be honest, it has taken me quite a bit to understand what you are trying to say, but I think I have it now. Does this summarize it?
- The ability for the citation, which is automatically created when pasting a quote, to use logosres.
- A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info.
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alabama24 said:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info.
This is all that's really needed...
The idea is on uservoice, here:
But I don't really think anyone understands it --if you're doing a huge research paper, like a thesis, and using Logos as your primary research source, this could make a huge difference in how much time it takes for you to find and arrange the information you need to build your case and references...
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As a workaround, have you considered using something like AutoHotKey (http://www.autohotkey.com/)? I believe you could create a macro that sends the following keystrokes: Ctrl+V (paste into target application), Alt+Tab (switch back to Logos), Ctrl+Alt+C (copy current location as URL), Alt+Tab (switch back to editor), Ctrl+V (paste URL).
To use it, you could: select text in Logos, copy it to clipboard, switch focus to your editor, then invoke the macro. Although it's not exactly what you're asking for, it should save a bit of repetitive switching back and forth.
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alabama24 said:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info.
It would be better if it wasn't 'a new' citation style, but rather a separate Include logosres in citation Yes/No option that worked with any citation style.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:alabama24 said:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info.
It would be better if it wasn't 'a new' citation style, but rather a separate Include logosres in citation Yes/No option that worked with any citation style.
i concur... But the citation style must allow for it.
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Russ - fgh remembered that there was a thread about the new engine for bibliography rendering in beta, and she linked to this thread. You might find it interesting. I posted this in that thread this morning:
alabama24 said:In a nutshell, there is a desire to have the ability to add logosres to citations. I know that Bob has opined at various times about the need for academia to get over the necessity of using page numbers in citations. I agree with him… but Bob's in more of a position to do something about it than I am.
The ability to have logosres automatically appear in citations would be a good start.0 -
Mike Tourangeau said:
I'm on a Mac and would love to see this asap.... any timeframe?
Mike, I am really sorry that your thread got hijacked. Sorry! [:S] [:)]
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alabama24 said:Mike Tourangeau said:
I'm on a Mac and would love to see this asap.... any timeframe?
Mike, I am really sorry that your thread got hijacked. Sorry!
No worries... lots of good info [:D]
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Russ White said:alabama24 said:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info.
This is all that's really needed...
The idea is on uservoice, here:
But I don't really think anyone understands it --if you're doing a huge research paper, like a thesis, and using Logos as your primary research source, this could make a huge difference in how much time it takes for you to find and arrange the information you need to build your case and references...
This feature has been added to 7.3 Beta 1
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Russ White said:alabama24 said:
A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info.
This is all that's really needed...
The idea is on uservoice, here:
But I don't really think anyone understands it --if you're doing a huge research paper, like a thesis, and using Logos as your primary research source, this could make a huge difference in how much time it takes for you to find and arrange the information you need to build your case and references...
When one copies text from a web page by copying from a browser and pasting into OneNote, the resulting paste provides the copied text AND the url of the original web page which allows the reader to click back.
I performed a simple copy/paste of part of one of Alabama's posts to a OneNote page and got:
You should develop your idea a little more and submit it as a suggestion in User Voice. To be honest, it has taken me quite a bit to understand what you are trying to say, but I think I have it now. Does this summarize it?
- The ability for the citation, which is automatically created when pasting a quote, to use logosres.
- A new citation style to be created which can incorporate the logosres info.
From <https://community.logos.com/forums/t/69465.aspx>
However, when I paste the same text to Word, the URL is not pasted.
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Russ White said:
This is all that's really needed...
The idea is on uservoice, here:
But I don't really think anyone understands it --if you're doing a huge research paper, like a thesis, and using Logos as your primary research source, this could make a huge difference in how much time it takes for you to find and arrange the information you need to build your case and references...
Russ,
This feature was added into 7.3 (7.3.0.0031)
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Kindof -- but the way it's implemented, it only works if you let Logos put the cite in an actual footnote. If you paste text only, you don't get the url back to the original resource. This isn't useful when you're gathering research, as you don't want the actual footnotes in your research notes. This isn't useful in actual writing, as the citations Logos creates are almost always wrong, and hence must be built manually anyway.
So, ultimately, the way Logos has implemented it is actually useless.
Russ
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What I asked for was this. On the list of possible citation types, add an option that says, "add url to citation." This is close to what you've implemented, but it's not the same thing. Instead of having the url pushed as an embedded link, have it pushed as an actual piece of text that will show up when you do a "text only" paste into a document. Right now, if I want to do this:
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As Bultmann famously remarked, “Man does not have a soma; he is soma.” Indeed, “man, his person as a whole, can be denoted by soma.… Man is called soma in respect to his being able to make himself the object of his own action or to experience himself as the subject to whom something happens. He can be called soma, that is, as having a relationship to himself—as being able in a certain sense to distinguish himself from himself.” The human person does not consist of two (or three) parts, then, but is a living whole. What is more, human lives are oriented toward a purpose; they live always on a quest, though the human creature can find or lose one’s self. For Paul, Bultmann observes, “Man has always already missed the existence that at heart he seeks, his intent is basically perverse, evil.” This “missing” of life is sin, which is a power that dominates everyone completely.Joel B. Green, Body, Soul, and Human Life: The Nature of Humanity in the Bible (ed. Craig G. Bartholomew and Christopher R. Seitz; Studies in Theological Interpretation; Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2008), 4–5.
I must first copy out the quote, switch to note taking software, and paste as text. This pastes the quote and the citation, but not the back link. The option you've provided still will not paste the back link, because I'm not putting the citation in as a footnote in the document -- but I don't want a footnote here, I want just the quote and citation in plain text. Now, to get the url, I must switch back to Logos, click on the correct button, then "copy location as url," then back to the note software package, and then paste as plain text again.
Russ
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Russ White said:
This is close to what you've implemented, but it's not the same thing. Instead of having the url pushed as an embedded link, have it pushed as an actual piece of text that will show up when you do a "text only" paste into a document.
Copy from Logos 7.3 RC 2 with paste into Word 2010 has hyperlinked resource in citation (embedded URL), which is not a footnote (but does have two superscript numbers)
Word macro could convert/copy embedded URL followed by pasting after citation text.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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When I copy from the latest Logos into the latest Word, I get a footnote. I could write a macro that copies out any links found in the footnote and reformats the cite and the url into a single block of text, but --
1. What about when I'm working in a software package that doesn't have footnotes, or embedded urls, at all? For instance, I am often asked for some quick research on a specific verse, or topic -- I usually use notepad for this sort of thing, or simply copy and paste into email, which is always plain text (and embedded footnotes don't work in most folks' email anyway).
2. The formatting is still wrong -- I have to delete the footnote, bringing it into the main text. The way it's shown on your screen, there's just an odd amount of text inserted into the document. This would be very difficult to handle in a macro.
What's been implemented is interesting, but it would have been much easier, and actually useful, to implement what I originally asked for.
Russ
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