What books did Joel Osteen read?

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mike | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Apr 29 2014 11:58 PM

A serious question,

This guy's ammo on "illustrations" are endless and I got to say they're pretty good. (let's be honest)

Not a lot of people are gifted with telling illustrations like that.

I wonder what books he read to get his illustration or where he got them from?

anyone ever searched?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 3:47 AM

mike:

This guy's ammos on "illustrations" are endless and I got to say they're pretty good. (let's be honest)

I know very little about Joel Osteen and have never read a book or heard him speak. However, I have no idea what this sentence means! What's "ammos"?

On a general note: Andy Stanley is one of the best speakers I know... He admits that he uses a team to assist him. Perhaps Joel does the same?

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 5:51 AM

I'm sure a quick googling can give you information.

anyway if you never heard him, watch this and count how many illustrations he gave in one sermon.

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Anthony | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 6:37 AM

mike:

I'm sure a quick googling can give you information.

Google only returns restaurants and attempts at possible abbreviations - what do you mean by 'ammos'.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 6:50 AM

Anthony Ramsey:

mike:

I'm sure a quick googling can give you information.

Google only returns restaurants and attempts at possible abbreviations - what do you mean by 'ammos'.

Boy, it looks like none of you were born in a country that is currently at war.  Ammunition = Ammo...hence, lots of bullets (illustrations) to make his point and he doesn't run out of them.  I know because where I work we use Ammo cans to store radioactive material.  Those things are heavy (about 50 lbs each - depending on how much we load them - I'm sure with bullets/Ammunition [ammo] they weight more). Wink

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 6:55 AM

I am told that most of these prosperity preachers hold the Wall Street Journal in high esteem.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 6:56 AM

DAL:

Anthony Ramsey:

mike:

I'm sure a quick googling can give you information.

Google only returns restaurants and attempts at possible abbreviations - what do you mean by 'ammos'.

Boy, it looks like none of you were born in a country that is currently at war.  Ammunition = Ammo...hence, lots of bullets (illustrations) to make his point and he doesn't run out of them.  I know because where I work we use Ammo cans to store radioactive material.  Those things are heavy (about 50 lbs each - depending on how much we load them - I'm sure with bullets/Ammunition [ammo] they weight more). Wink

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Perhaps the confusion was pluralizing AMMO (which is already plural in a collective sense). I would assume that Osteen as a communications major in college has a research assistant who helps with writing illustrations.

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Willard Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 7:06 AM

David Thomas:
I would assume that Osteen as a communications major in college has a research assistant who helps with writing illustrations.
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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 7:09 AM

mike:

A serious question,

This guy's ammos on "illustrations" are endless and I got to say they're pretty good. (let's be honest)

Not a lot of people are gifted with telling illustrations like that.

I wonder what books he read to get his illustration or where he got them from?

anyone ever searched?

Join Toast Masters or pay a Public Speaking Coach to help you.  A lot of motivational speakers (which is the category I put Joel in) they sometimes pay a coach to help them get better in their particular area of expertise...or as others have suggested, he's got the talent, but he also has a team working for him to help him craft the right illustrations.

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 7:13 AM

mike:
anyway if you never heard him, watch this and count how many illustrations he gave in one sermon.
I think I'll pass. But I challenge you to count the Bible references. I would guess a stark contrast.

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 7:29 AM

FWIW:

A long time ago, I learned a very simple truth (although it took me a while to work it out) ...

1) Good preachers are not necessarily good speakers and,

2) Good speakers are not necessarily good preachers.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 7:54 AM

It's sure a good thing early Christian writers didn't get referenced on 'Logos forum' in the early centuries.  You guys would of run out of lighter fluid (while searching for your keyboard, plus what 'ammos' means).

But it is interesting that early Christians threw mud made up of inappropriate behavior with either gender; today's mud has a lot of money in it. And as the Qumranites called it 'smoothies'.

And yes, I've watched Joel a few times; much can be learned from smiling.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 8:24 AM

Denise:
And yes, I've watched Joel a few times; much can be learned from smiling.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 8:49 AM

@ Denise.

I'm a pretty boy. How do you like my smile?

mm.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 9:02 AM

Hmmm.  Joel seems to be really bringing out people's best side.   Am I reminded that the whole OT uses  'good times' as the candy and pestilence as the threat?   The targums shifted a bit to 'merit'. 'Pay' sounded a little too obvious.

Then when we get to the NT, Jesus busily offers what to the poor?  Mmmm  ... what could it be?  Of course the well off get the threats of pestilence (but only if they're pastors in Texas).

Actually I'm quite impressed with Joel.  But not from his religious interests.  In corporate-land,  being willing to smile (oddly enough) is one of the most effective ways to move the team forward.

But back to Logos, another great example are the pictures of Jesus (the painters were working off of early photos, you know). During his ministry Jesus is always smiling (plus blond hair).  Even at the crucifixion he's smiling (well ... the gnostic painters anyway).

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 10:14 AM

I'll admit my sample set is incomplete when it comes to this particular preacher. I remember I was at my grandmothers one night after a family get together and she was watching Larry King as was her routine and this guy was on there.

I know baptists have a bad rap for being exclusionistic in some ways. There are plenty of jokes about how we think we are going to be the only ones in heaven one day. Sometimes that is accurate, but I don't think thats descriptive of me in particular. All that said, back to the story.

Larry King asked a question that was the perfect segue to the Gospel; and Osteen said "love love love blah blah blah love love love each other love love love (me) love love love blah blah blah love". Neither Jesus nor any scripture references were mentioned at any point. It was one of those times when an individual speaks a lot and says nothing.

That one impression is all I have of the man that when given the perfect opportunity to share the Gospel on nationwide TV he dropped the ball.

No lighter fluid here; and I can't say I'd do any better. But IF indeed love is the sole focus of his minstry than he's missed out. Certainly thats a part of the gospel, but not the whole.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 11:03 AM

I am reminded of the parable of the dishonest manager.  It is easy to complain about the content of his message, but as the OP mentioned, he does speak well.  And we who claim to have a better message should not be afraid to learn how to speak by comparing ourselves with him...

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Daniel Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 11:12 AM

Ken McGuire:

And we who claim to have a better message should not be afraid to learn how to speak by comparing ourselves with him...

Unless we violate the spirit of Paul in http://ref.ly/1Co2.1 and http://ref.ly/2Co2.17

Eloquence is not inherently Christian or virtuous, though I'm certainly not advocating for lack of clarity when preaching.

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 12:11 PM

I will refrain from stating my opinion about Joel. 

He certainly has a research team and a good one. Once you get to a certain level, you can afford that . 

I got to spend some time with Rick Warren's research assistant (he also had a secretary and some other assistant if I remember correctly). She had an amazing system of filing and organization; it was fascinating. I think she had 1-2 people working with her.

At the basic level, she said Rick might say he needs an illustration about respecting your spouse or whatever. She would go to work and find a few and he would pick one out. Or he might want a picture or something else. 

Most of her job was to collect illustrations and file them away in the system. Rick would sometimes give them to her and sometimes she would come across one. I am going by memory here from several years ago.

By the way, everyone I came across at Saddleback seemed to be very genuine and humble, including Rick. 

So anyway, that is why speakers at that level seem to have an endless supply of illustrations; it's because they do. They have help and a good system for getting the right thing for the right sermon.

Just my anecdotal observation.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 12:18 PM

abondservant:

Larry King as was her routine and this guy was on there...

Larry King asked a question.....

That one impression is all I have of the man that when given the perfect opportunity to share the Gospel on nationwide TV he dropped the ball.

Did you watch the part when he was asked if he donated to charity and he hesitantly said "Yes" and when he was asked which one, he evaded the question altogether and never answered but just silly smiled his way out of the question?

Also, when he was asked if he was ok having all that money, he said that "God wants his children to prosper.  Abraham was rich, David was rich, God gave Solomon riches, etc." The funny thing is that this motivational speaker is the only one rich while his members aren't (at least those that don't have the good jobs anyway, but they still give him money).  I think the following picture paints the actual story of it all - Sad but true:

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