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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 2 2014 9:58 AM

Denise:
But the first few centuries of the church didn't have Bible thumpers either.   They had to get the job done with 'stories'.
I see a stark contrast. Those "stories" had a high content of "Thus Saith The Lord". If that were the case with the present storytellers, I would be the one saying, "And All Gods People Said, AMEN" !

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 2 2014 11:26 PM

Thank you very much every one of you for your kind cooperation. I believe our endeavor will lead to the development of a new treatment.

Blessings in Christ.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 2 2014 11:35 PM

Erwin Stull, Sr.:
My observation is that generally the post starts out ok, but soon gets out of hand with responses unrelated to the original question/issue. Smile

Yes I agree Erwin both re: the original post and re: unrelated responses. I had no problem with the question re: Joel something-or-other whose name I didn't recognize. I took it as a request for resource recommendations. I didn't think it appropriate to switch to a discussion of Joel/his theology. It discourages the original question.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 2 2014 11:39 PM

Paul C:
Those "stories" had a high content of "Thus Saith The Lord". If that were the case with the present storytellers,

Do you have an interest in narrative theology or story-sermons? Both are appropriate topics for Logos collections - and somewhat of a gap in the current offerings.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 12:48 AM

MJ. Smith:

Paul C:
Those "stories" had a high content of "Thus Saith The Lord". If that were the case with the present storytellers,

Do you have an interest in narrative theology or story-sermons? Both are appropriate topics for Logos collections - and somewhat of a gap in the current offerings.

I have an interest in Biblical Theology. Here is what I said about "story-sermons" , In the other thread. >> http://community.logos.com/forums/t/84113.aspx?PageIndex=2 

Paul C:

I don't think anyone objects to using illustrations to help understand/demonstrate Scripture. It becomes troubling when the rare inclusion of a Biblical text is an attempt to support one of a multitude of feel good illustrations.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 1:46 AM

Paul C:
an attempt to support one of a multitude of feel good illustrations.

To me story sermons and illustrations are two very different things. Jesus left us several examples of story-sermons - the parable is the message.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 2:12 AM

In Jesus' parables, He often quoted Scripture. (Knowing that Scripture spoke of Him) This is what is missing from "Prosperity Preaching" or whatever tag you choose to assign to it.

>>>>>  Matthew 13:13–15  

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 2:22 AM

I'm trying to understand why you singled me out. I didn't post pictures of Joel's dental work or automobiles. I expressed a concern about the lack of Scripture in his type of message. I said very little (possibly nothing) about him personally. You said you didn't know of Mr. Osteen. Maybe that's why you don't understand my concern.

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 8:41 AM

Are we not called to point out false teachings and wolves in sheep's clothing? Highlight error when it appears? Are we to ignore heresies that deny or distort the truth and the person of Christ?

From the work of Adrian Rogers:

"You must understand that, because if the devil cannot keep you from learning this truth, he’ll try to corrupt and pervert it and have you believing you have authority to make it rain, or that you can walk into a hospital room and empty it.  No, you can’t.  We have preachers on TV who’ve so distorted this truth, they would have you believe that kingdom authority is the key to Fort Knox and the fountain of youth rolled into one! That’s the Gospel of cash, Cadillacs, and comfort, but it’s not the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

http://www.lwf.org/site/News2?id=11856

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 8:53 AM

Kent, when you get to work tomorrow, tell your boss to call all of the employees together immediately because you have an announcement. Once gathered, tell them all that Joel Osteen is a hypocrite wolf. If more needs to be said, say on. Then dismiss them until you have further updates. Then you won't be a hypocrite either.

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 8:58 AM

David Paul:

Kent, when you get to work tomorrow, tell your boss to call all of the employees together immediately because you have an announcement. Once gathered, tell them all that Joel Osteen is a hypocrite wolf. If more needs to be said, say on. Then dismiss them until you have further updates. Then you won't be a hypocrite either.

Thanks David, I have stood in the pulpit and done that.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 9:14 AM

Tes:

I am grateful for the Forum especailly for those who take their preciouse time to help such as like me,but sometimes I see the Forums are not used for the very reason they are intended to. What has with "What books did Joel Osteen read?" to do? First of all we don't have to judge.

I disagree with those who agree with you, Tes. The reason is very simple...the OPer of the other thread wanted to know what BOOKS Joel Osteen reads. Why? Because he is a master at using sermon illustrations in his sermons. The question asked in the OP had to do with WHAT RESOURCES does Joel Osteen use to come up with all of the many sermon illustrations that he uses. How is that not a concern for the Logos forum, where we are constantly asking Logos to add new content to the Logos stable? I, for one, would love to know the answer to where J.O. gets all of his material, just out of curiosity. Does he make it all up? Maybe he does...since obviously someone has to come up with those illustrations. And if he does not...what BOOKS does he get them from? Remember...Logos is in the business of selling BOOKS, and there are probably many Logos customers who would like to know as well.

I'm not an Osteen fan, but I didn't for one second see anything other than a legitimate question in the OP of the other thread. and just to make it easy, let's have a look at it...

mike:

A serious question,

This guy's ammo on "illustrations" are endless and I got to say they're pretty good. (let's be honest)

Not a lot of people are gifted with telling illustrations like that.

I wonder what books he read to get his illustration or where he got them from?

anyone ever searched?

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Yeah...nothing, not a word of that post is anything other than entirely appropriate to this forum. I'm not sure what it is about the OP that causes you to assert that "judging" is taking place?? I don't see it--in fact, I see the OPer saying that Osteen is gifted in his ability to use illustrations, which I would agree with. So, no, I don't agree with you or those who supported you in this. I think an error has obviously been made, and it wasn't made by mike.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 9:20 AM

Kent:

David Paul:

Kent, when you get to work tomorrow, tell your boss to call all of the employees together immediately because you have an announcement. Once gathered, tell them all that Joel Osteen is a hypocrite wolf. If more needs to be said, say on. Then dismiss them until you have further updates. Then you won't be a hypocrite either.

Thanks David, I have stood in the pulpit and done that.

I had a feeling you were going to say that. Your ivory bubble doesn't translate to the "real world". Just to be clear, though...you told people from the pulpit to go to work and tell their bosses to gather everyone together so that they can announce Osteen is a hypocrite wolf? You really need to do that to avoid hypocrisy.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 9:51 AM

David Paul:

Tes:

I am grateful for the Forum especailly for those who take their preciouse time to help such as like me,but sometimes I see the Forums are not used for the very reason they are intended to. What has with "What books did Joel Osteen read?" to do? First of all we don't have to judge.

I disagree with those who agree with you, Tes. The reason is very simple...the OPer of the other thread wanted to know what BOOKS Joel Osteen reads. Why? Because he is a master at using sermon illustrations in his sermons. The question asked in the OP had to do with WHAT RESOURCES does Joel Osteen use to come up with all of the many sermon illustrations that he uses. How is that not a concern for the Logos forum, where we are constantly asking Logos to add new content to the Logos stable? I, for one, would love to know the answer to where J.O. gets all of his material, just out of curiosity. Does he make it all up? Maybe he does...since obviously someone has to come up with those illustrations. And if he does not...what BOOKS does he get them from? Remember...Logos is in the business of selling BOOKS, and there are probably many Logos customers who would like to know as well.

I'm not an Osteen fan, but I didn't for one second see anything other than a legitimate question in the OP of the other thread. and just to make it easy, let's have a look at it...

mike:

A serious question,

This guy's ammo on "illustrations" are endless and I got to say they're pretty good. (let's be honest)

Not a lot of people are gifted with telling illustrations like that.

I wonder what books he read to get his illustration or where he got them from?

anyone ever searched?

edit: (s)

Yeah...nothing, not a word of that post is anything other than entirely appropriate to this forum. I'm not sure what it is about the OP that causes you to assert that "judging" is taking place?? I don't see it--in fact, I see the OPer saying that Osteen is gifted in his ability to use illustrations, which I would agree with. So, no, I don't agree with you or those who supported you in this. I think an error has obviously been made, and it wasn't made by mike.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 1:02 PM

Kent:
Are we not called to point out false teachings and wolves in sheep's clothing? Highlight error when it appears? Are we to ignore heresies that deny or distort the truth and the person of Christ?

In the right place at the right time and in the correct manner. The forums fail to match the criteria.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 2:47 PM

MJ. Smith:
In the right place at the right time and in the correct manner. The forums fail to match the criteria.

Did you not recently comment on and post a link to an article debunking the "Gospel of Jesus' Wife" hoax? ... So who , exactly, sets/interprets/enforces the criteria for the rest of us?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 3:16 PM

MJ. Smith:
The forums fail to match the criteria

Yeah. Everyone is colouring outside the lines.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 3:38 PM

Yes, but if everyone agreed to use white crayolas, it wouldn't look too bad.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 3:56 PM

And  IF  butterflies didn't have wings, they would be butterwalks. Big Smile

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 4:55 PM

Paul C:

And  IF  butterflies didn't have wings, they would be butterwalks. Big Smile

Are butterwalks the same as caterpillars? Big Smile

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