Please, forgive me if I am wrong.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590523#Comment_590523

THANK YOU!

That's exactly what I was thinking! Who cares about Joel Osteen anyway (except those who don't like Scripture in a sermon only motivational speaking and bed time stories). He's not even in Logos. This search summarizes it (Joel who?) So don't ask for forgiveness, because whether people like it or not, you are right, he's not part of Logos and therefore should not be even mentioned here, as this is not the place to inquire about him. He's got a website and a google search will give you lots of information on him. But you are right, what do the books he reads have anything to do with OUR forum and OUR software...Exactly, nothing! Thank you Tes for having the courage of pointing this out. Hopefully nobody will start labeling you as "the problem maker" because that's usually what you get when people "feel offended" by the truth. By the way, sorry for my crappy underlining, but notice the "Please try browsing OUR products" section in the Logos website picture:

Evan Boardman

I think the person who was asking this was a fan and had no judgements against this person. I think you was just reading bad intentions into his post.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590526#Comment_590526

I think the person who was asking this was a fan and had no judgements against this person. I think you was just reading bad intentions into his post.

I don't think your line was directed at me, but just in case, I didn't judge the poor fellow. In fact, I even contributed in a positive way in the O.P.'s thread. As far as Osteen goes I could care less about him, but all I can say is "Prove all things, holdfast that which is good" (1 Thes. 5:21).

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590526#Comment_590526

Sorry kiddos ... I don't watch him (nor anyone else for that matter). But the first few centuries of the church didn't have Bible thumpers either. They had to get the job done with 'stories'. Or what appear to be 'say this!'.

I'm not an expert on sermon-ing, but sermon-ers wouldn't be so jealous of successful presenters if the presenters were not successful. The Qumranites called them the 'smoothies'. Of course the Qumranites didn't appear to be overflowing with applicants (though they Bible-thumped with wild abandon).

Good morning, Tes!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590532#Comment_590532

the 'smoothies'

What is it with you and "the smoothies" lately. You've been mentioning them a lot. Ah, I know, summer time is just around the corner, at least here in Florida. [B]<~~ a smoothie [:P]

Tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590523#Comment_590523

He's not even in Logos.

But his name is in my lib. [:D]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590534#Comment_590534

Gee, DAL ... we're not supposed to discuss theology. But the reference speaks to my beliefs, let's say.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590535#Comment_590535

I don't think you are wrong Tes.

Erwin Stull, Sr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590526#Comment_590526

I read the OP post concerning Joel Osteen as just a question of curiosity, nothing more, nothing less. I have had similar questions about what software do they use? What is their library look like? what are their reading habits? What books do they read? etc. The questions was just not important enough for me to post a question on it. Just curiosity, nothing more, nothing less.

Tom

First off Tes, I have no reason to forgive you because I agree with Bruce. [:D].

please let us use the Forum to help to learn how we could use the software for our Bible study

Yes! [Y]

Tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590480#Comment_590480

Leave the debate to groups on Faithlife.

There is a place and time for just about everything! [;)]

William Gabriel

I am grateful for the Forum especailly for those who take their preciouse time to help such as like me,but sometimes I see the Forums are not used for the very reason they are intended to. What has with "What books did Joel Osteen read?" to do? First of all we don't have to judge.If we see there is something wrong with him the Forum is not the right place to comment on ministers or somesthing which has to do with them.Instead of giving more time on such things ,please let us use the Forum to help to learn how we could use the software for our Bible study.

I suspect that Logos tolerates a little bit of OT discussion (like this thread?) because (just a guess) it raises interest in the forums. Obviously they can't let things get out of hand, and so we see them cutting threads off that are going down the inquisition road.

We all enjoy* the software and like to talk about it, but that's not the only thing we have in common. There is an underlying common ground we share, and many of the Logos users on the forums are teachers and feel led to let it out. In other words, you simply won't be able to avoid all the OT posts and the theological expressiveness. It's part of who we are. [:D]

*define enjoy however you'd like

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590545#Comment_590545

I suspect that Logos tolerates a little bit of OT discussion

From my observation over the years Logos has a lot of tolerance which I think is appropriate.

Matthew C Jones

Instead of giving more time on such things ,please let us use the Forum to help to learn how we could use the software for our Bible study.

Yes, Tes. [Y]

Erwin Stull, Sr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590547#Comment_590547

I suspect that Logos tolerates a little bit of OT discussion

From my observation over the years Logos has a lot of tolerance which I think is appropriate.

[Y] It would be difficult to be overly critical on this forum and still have a forum of this type.

My observation is that generally the post starts out ok, but soon gets out of hand with responses unrelated to the original question/issue. [:)]

Fasil

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590550#Comment_590550

Right Tes !!!! [Y]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590532#Comment_590532

But the first few centuries of the church didn't have Bible thumpers either. They had to get the job done with 'stories'.

I see a stark contrast. Those "stories" had a high content of "Thus Saith The Lord". If that were the case with the present storytellers, I would be the one saying, "And All Gods People Said, AMEN" !

Tes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590585#Comment_590585

Thank you very much every one of you for your kind cooperation. I believe our endeavor will lead to the development of a new treatment.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590557#Comment_590557

My observation is that generally the post starts out ok, but soon gets out of hand with responses unrelated to the original question/issue.

[Y] I agree Erwin both re: the original post and re: unrelated responses. I had no problem with the question re: Joel something-or-other whose name I didn't recognize. I took it as a request for resource recommendations. I didn't think it appropriate to switch to a discussion of Joel/his theology. It discourages the original question.

Note: italics denote a later edit

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590585#Comment_590585

Those "stories" had a high content of "Thus Saith The Lord". If that were the case with the present storytellers,

Do you have an interest in narrative theology or story-sermons? Both are appropriate topics for Logos collections - and somewhat of a gap in the current offerings.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590831#Comment_590831

Those "stories" had a high content of "Thus Saith The Lord". If that were the case with the present storytellers,

Do you have an interest in narrative theology or story-sermons? Both are appropriate topics for Logos collections - and somewhat of a gap in the current offerings.

I have an interest in Biblical Theology. Here is what I said about "story-sermons" , In the other thread. >> http://community.logos.com/forums/t/84113.aspx?PageIndex=2

I don't think anyone objects to using illustrations to help understand/demonstrate Scripture. It becomes troubling when the rare inclusion of a Biblical text is an attempt to support one of a multitude of feel good illustrations.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590839#Comment_590839

an attempt to support one of a multitude of feel good illustrations.

To me story sermons and illustrations are two very different things. Jesus left us several examples of story-sermons - the parable is the message.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590844#Comment_590844

In Jesus' parables, He often quoted Scripture. (Knowing that Scripture spoke of Him) This is what is missing from "Prosperity Preaching" or whatever tag you choose to assign to it.

>>>>> Matthew 13:13–15

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590845#Comment_590845

I'm trying to understand why you singled me out. I didn't post pictures of Joel's dental work or automobiles. I expressed a concern about the lack of Scripture in his type of message. I said very little (possibly nothing) about him personally. You said you didn't know of Mr. Osteen. Maybe that's why you don't understand my concern.

Kent

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590847#Comment_590847

Are we not called to point out false teachings and wolves in sheep's clothing? Highlight error when it appears? Are we to ignore heresies that deny or distort the truth and the person of Christ?

From the work of Adrian Rogers:

"You must understand that, because if the devil cannot keep you from learning this truth, he’ll try to corrupt and pervert it and have you believing you have authority to make it rain, or that you can walk into a hospital room and empty it. No, you can’t. We have preachers on TV who’ve so distorted this truth, they would have you believe that kingdom authority is the key to Fort Knox and the fountain of youth rolled into one! That’s the Gospel of cash, Cadillacs, and comfort, but it’s not the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

http://www.lwf.org/site/News2?id=11856

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590916#Comment_590916

Kent, when you get to work tomorrow, tell your boss to call all of the employees together immediately because you have an announcement. Once gathered, tell them all that Joel Osteen is a hypocrite wolf. If more needs to be said, say on. Then dismiss them until you have further updates. Then you won't be a hypocrite either.

Kent

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590921#Comment_590921

Kent, when you get to work tomorrow, tell your boss to call all of the employees together immediately because you have an announcement. Once gathered, tell them all that Joel Osteen is a hypocrite wolf. If more needs to be said, say on. Then dismiss them until you have further updates. Then you won't be a hypocrite either.

Thanks David, I have stood in the pulpit and done that.

I am grateful for the Forum especailly for those who take their preciouse time to help such as like me,but sometimes I see the Forums are not used for the very reason they are intended to. What has with "What books did Joel Osteen read?" to do? First of all we don't have to judge.

I disagree with those who agree with you, Tes. The reason is very simple...the OPer of the other thread wanted to know what BOOKS Joel Osteen reads. Why? Because he is a master at using sermon illustrations in his sermons. The question asked in the OP had to do with WHAT RESOURCES does Joel Osteen use to come up with all of the many sermon illustrations that he uses. How is that not a concern for the Logos forum, where we are constantly asking Logos to add new content to the Logos stable? I, for one, would love to know the answer to where J.O. gets all of his material, just out of curiosity. Does he make it all up? Maybe he does...since obviously someone has to come up with those illustrations. And if he does not...what BOOKS does he get them from? Remember...Logos is in the business of selling BOOKS, and there are probably many Logos customers who would like to know as well.

I'm not an Osteen fan, but I didn't for one second see anything other than a legitimate question in the OP of the other thread. and just to make it easy, let's have a look at it...

A serious question,

This guy's ammo on "illustrations" are endless and I got to say they're pretty good. (let's be honest)

Not a lot of people are gifted with telling illustrations like that.

I wonder what books he read to get his illustration or where he got them from?

anyone ever searched?

edit: (s)

Yeah...nothing, not a word of that post is anything other than entirely appropriate to this forum. I'm not sure what it is about the OP that causes you to assert that "judging" is taking place?? I don't see it--in fact, I see the OPer saying that Osteen is gifted in his ability to use illustrations, which I would agree with. So, no, I don't agree with you or those who supported you in this. I think an error has obviously been made, and it wasn't made by mike.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590923#Comment_590923

Kent, when you get to work tomorrow, tell your boss to call all of the employees together immediately because you have an announcement. Once gathered, tell them all that Joel Osteen is a hypocrite wolf. If more needs to be said, say on. Then dismiss them until you have further updates. Then you won't be a hypocrite either.

Thanks David, I have stood in the pulpit and done that.

I had a feeling you were going to say that. Your ivory bubble doesn't translate to the "real world". Just to be clear, though...you told people from the pulpit to go to work and tell their bosses to gather everyone together so that they can announce Osteen is a hypocrite wolf? You really need to do that to avoid hypocrisy.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590927#Comment_590927

I am grateful for the Forum especailly for those who take their preciouse time to help such as like me,but sometimes I see the Forums are not used for the very reason they are intended to. What has with "What books did Joel Osteen read?" to do? First of all we don't have to judge.

I disagree with those who agree with you, Tes. The reason is very simple...the OPer of the other thread wanted to know what BOOKS Joel Osteen reads. Why? Because he is a master at using sermon illustrations in his sermons. The question asked in the OP had to do with WHAT RESOURCES does Joel Osteen use to come up with all of the many sermon illustrations that he uses. How is that not a concern for the Logos forum, where we are constantly asking Logos to add new content to the Logos stable? I, for one, would love to know the answer to where J.O. gets all of his material, just out of curiosity. Does he make it all up? Maybe he does...since obviously someone has to come up with those illustrations. And if he does not...what BOOKS does he get them from? Remember...Logos is in the business of selling BOOKS, and there are probably many Logos customers who would like to know as well.

I'm not an Osteen fan, but I didn't for one second see anything other than a legitimate question in the OP of the other thread. and just to make it easy, let's have a look at it...

A serious question,

This guy's ammo on "illustrations" are endless and I got to say they're pretty good. (let's be honest)

Not a lot of people are gifted with telling illustrations like that.

I wonder what books he read to get his illustration or where he got them from?

anyone ever searched?

edit: (s)

Yeah...nothing, not a word of that post is anything other than entirely appropriate to this forum. I'm not sure what it is about the OP that causes you to assert that "judging" is taking place?? I don't see it--in fact, I see the OPer saying that Osteen is gifted in his ability to use illustrations, which I would agree with. So, no, I don't agree with you or those who supported you in this. I think an error has obviously been made, and it wasn't made by mike.

[Y] [Y]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590916#Comment_590916

Are we not called to point out false teachings and wolves in sheep's clothing? Highlight error when it appears? Are we to ignore heresies that deny or distort the truth and the person of Christ?

In the right place at the right time and in the correct manner. The forums fail to match the criteria.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590986#Comment_590986

In the right place at the right time and in the correct manner. The forums fail to match the criteria.

Did you not recently comment on and post a link to an article debunking the "Gospel of Jesus' Wife" hoax? ... So who , exactly, sets/interprets/enforces the criteria for the rest of us?

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590986#Comment_590986

The forums fail to match the criteria

Yeah. Everyone is colouring outside the lines.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591023#Comment_591023

Yes, but if everyone agreed to use white crayolas, it wouldn't look too bad.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591029#Comment_591029

And IF butterflies didn't have wings, they would be butterwalks. [:D]

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591034#Comment_591034

And IF butterflies didn't have wings, they would be butterwalks.

Are butterwalks the same as caterpillars? [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591044#Comment_591044

Sorry the temptation is too strong and to whom it applies is clear only to myself. DH will return to his doghouse for the benefit of those of you who don't appreciate him. For those who do appreciate him, he has been fetching balls, preferring that they be thrown into the water - hence the muddy paw prints..

Now wasn't that preferable to my using derogatory language quoting and mocking a very silly post? My point? Sometimes it is what is said. Sometimes it is how one says it. But if one feels attacked or shutdown, I find it a good practice to check the what and how of one's own post to see how it set off the post one find disagreeable.

Are butterwalks the same as caterpillars?

I think butterwalks slip easily while caterpillars have no problem climbing high circular columns. If we found some cantorpillars, I know some churches that could use them.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591034#Comment_591034

And IF butterflies didn't have wings, they would be butterwalks.

So, if a cow didn't have legs it would be called Ground Beef? [:P]

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591053#Comment_591053

So, if a cow didn't have legs it would be called Ground Beef?

[:D] from a cattle ranchers daughter

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591052#Comment_591052

DH will return to his doghouse for the benefit of those of you who don't appreciate him. For those who do appreciate him

DH has now joined our homeschooling curriculum.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591052#Comment_591052

Sorry the temptation is too strong

Precisely. Apparently, you felt compelled to comment on something you felt strongly about ...So did I. You seem to be much less tolerant of my compulsions, than your own.

to whom it applies is clear only to myself

Problem is, You didn't keep it to yourself. You waded neck deep into a dying thread that was nothing more than an ember, and turned it into a roaring flame. Tess had already declared victory and taken a victory lap before you reopened the discussion.

Now wasn't that preferable to my using derogatory language quoting and mocking

If you are inferring that I used derogatory language or mocked someone. Be specific. I don't see it . If I did I will certainly apologize.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591060#Comment_591060

You waded neck deep into a dying thread that was nothing more than an ember

Are you referring to the post agreeing with an earlier poster that was being typed at the same time as Tess's declaration of victory? If so, I'll revisit the post. Edit: I've added a sentence to clarify that the post was support for Erwin's post.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590847#Comment_590847

I'm trying to understand why you singled me out.

Are you referring to me? If so, I am puzzled as the only exchange I find in this or the original thread is my asking if you had an interest in narrative theology and story sermons because you had made a comment that made me think you might. Your response showed me that we had different definitions of story-sermons - not a problem from my point of view other than it meaning less probable support for some resources I've recommended.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591044#Comment_591044

And IF butterflies didn't have wings, they would be butterwalks.

Are butterwalks the same as caterpillars?

And if they complain loudly about their lack of wings, does that make them caterwaulers? [:)]

Kent

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/590986#Comment_590986

Are we not called to point out false teachings and wolves in sheep's clothing? Highlight error when it appears? Are we to ignore heresies that deny or distort the truth and the person of Christ?

In the right place at the right time and in the correct manner. The forums fail to match the criteria.

Faithfulness to the Scriptural commands should only apply to specific times and places?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591072#Comment_591072

Are we not called to point out false teachings and wolves in sheep's clothing? Highlight error when it appears? Are we to ignore heresies that deny or distort the truth and the person of Christ?

In the right place at the right time and in the correct manner. The forums fail to match the criteria.

Faithfulness to the Scriptural commands should only apply to specific times and places?

Ever heard of Eccl. 3:7?