New Package: "Chaplain's Base Package"

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 28 2014 6:02 PM

A new package called the "Chaplain's Base Package" is now available. It has 15% off right now if you use the discount code CHAPLAINBP.

https://www.logos.com/product/42493/chaplains-base-package

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 6:50 PM

I'd really like to see a Verbum version of this.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 6:59 PM

bought it.

ps:make sure you take screenshots of the resources; as logos love to remove some afterwards.

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to logos: thank you, this is the kind of package I found useful and practical for daily living.

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Pinoy Preacher | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 7:39 PM

Is Dynamic Pricing available for this base package?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 7:44 PM

Pinoy Preacher:

Is Dynamic Pricing available for this base package?

It seems to be the case -

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 7:55 PM

Pinoy Preacher:

Is Dynamic Pricing available for this base package?

Yes it is! Just don't forget to sign in to be able to see your price.  

I'm still debating whether to get it or not.  After an Anglican Silver, Reformed Silver, SDA Silver, Lutheran Starter, Verbum Basics and Spanish Tesoro I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with all those books in my library! I see a few things that are worth getting (e.g. Pastorum series 12 vols., Explorer's curriculum 14 vols.).  These two sets alone purchased separately are way above my dynamic pricing price.  I think I may call my sales rep tomorrow so she can make a few bucks off of me.  For 9 bucks more a month I can have it all and with dynamic pricing putting the Base Package at around $200 is not a bad buy.  I wish there was a new set of commentaries offered instead of the ones in this BP (e.g. Tyndale OT & NT; Life Application + Wiersbe if NIVAC cannot be offered).  But over all, it's a nice package for those serving as charlies (chaplin hehe...yeah, I know, it's spelled differently).  Anyway, as we say in Spanish, "I'll consult it with my pillow" meaning I'll think about it.  I don't have to have it right now anyway.

Thanks Logos!

DAL 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 7:57 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Pinoy Preacher:

Is Dynamic Pricing available for this base package?

It seems to be the case -

Around the same for me.  I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that price.  Sometimes you wonder if you're really getting all the discounts; since I own most of the things contained there in. Yes

DAL

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 8:08 PM

mike:

to logos: thank you, this is the kind of package I found useful and practical for daily living.

I waited until someone posted a comment like this one before posting myself. This package is almost useless to me. It isn't that I think the information is entirely without merit--certainly it is not, as the comment above attests. It's just that I have waaaaay too much else on my plate with Bible study to ever get around to making use of this kind of material.

Which brings me to the purpose of my comment. Even though I have next to zero need for this stuff, I could nevertheless buy this package for pocket change...and if I bothered to apply the discount code, Logos would probably have to pay me to pick up the few extra titles I don't already have. The reason is because I own Portfolio, and portfolio has a mountain of these kinds of resources. I have made this observation/complaint before. I really don't understand why Logos assumes that its customers would want or need these kinds of resources. It has been said before that many and perhaps most of Logos's client base are pastors, ministers, or some other type of clergy. Maybe, but many are non-preaching bible scholars or just dedicated Bible students. I think Logos felt they needed to put these things in some package, and they ended up sticking them in Portfolio because...well, where else are you gonna put them?

Well, to me, the answer always seemed logical--in the cheaper packages, precisely because most pastors are rolling in dough and can't afford the top-end flagship package that Portfolio was when it first came out. Most pastors weren't getting these pastor-specific titles because they were all squirreled away in the pricey, nosebleed, cost-prohibitive Portfolio package. On the other hand, I bought the Portfolio because (besides being the best value) it had the best top-notch scholarly resources for Bible study...which, let's face it, many pastor types just aren't going to be that interested in acquiring because they just aren't "practical". To sum up, most pastors weren't getting the stuff they would be most likely to need, want, and use, and I was stuck with a trainload of glut I had no use for.

So, I'm glad that they have created this package for those for whom it fills a need. What I am hoping is that Logos will also remember the non-clergy scholars who want resources more like the Biblical Studies packages I campaigned for a few weeks back. The resources in the Unobtanium package I posted are not in any original base package, but would be very enticing for those who are focused Bible scholars. If Logos chooses to create a series of Biblical Studies base packages, great...or if they just offer the resources in a variety of add-on modules that are priced like base packages, that would be great, too. They could do both. Idea Yes

I just found it ironic that this package has no interest for me, yet I could get it for a song because I already apparently have an average of 4/5 resources included in it.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 11:53 PM

Dear David,

This package may not help you yet (not sure what's your background and/or current ministries), but once you've jumped into the pool of practical ministries in the church/hospital/military, you'll find these resources quite helpful.

ps: one of my favs in the package is Pastorum Series Collection

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 3:53 AM

David Paul:
What I am hoping is that Logos will also remember the non-clergy scholars who want resources more like the Biblical Studies packages I campaigned for a few weeks back.

Remember the Bundles contain a lot of this sort of material. They're not as good value as the base packages (base packages work out about $2/volume, whereas the bigger bundles are about $10-£20/bundle). However, as a Portfolio owner, you'll get them for half-price, and as you can ensure they won't include resources aimed at pastors, you may get better value there than in the base packages.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 4:40 AM

So far I can't find it at all from https://www.logos.com/basepackages.  

EDIT: Which is not to say I can't find it - I used the link on top, but should it not be navigable from the basepackages page?

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 6:15 AM

Gordon Jones:

A new package called the "Chaplain's Base Package" is now available. It has 15% off right now if you use the discount code CHAPLAINBP.

https://www.logos.com/product/42493/chaplains-base-package

I was very very excited when I first heard about this collection.  Then I looked at what was in this collection.

It looks like they should have talked to a board certified chaplain before putting this package together.  As a chaplain, most of this material doesn't apply to chaplains.

For an example, I only know of two chaplains who have done a wedding as part of their chaplain role (I work as a chaplain in several hospitals & as a hospice chaplain).

While chaplains do preach, most tend to do this as a supply within their denomination - not as a role as a chaplain.  (chaplains who work in prison, military,  and long term health locations are the exception to this rule, and preaching in these settings is VERY VERY VERY different than preaching in a congregation.  Hospice chaplains do preach at funerals, but they tend to have a basic sermon that they use as the base for most of their funerals).

And books like Mastering Church Finances, Mastering Church Management and Mastering Outreach & Evangelism have nothing to do with being a chaplain.

I hope they update this collection to reflect the needs of chaplains.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 6:25 AM

tom:

And books like Mastering Church Finances, Mastering Church Management and Mastering Outreach & Evangelism have nothing to do with being a chaplain.

Dear Tom,

Chaplains in big "christian" hospitals still and sometimes attend board meetings, including finance meetings, hospital outreach programs and hospital administration management meetings. They hold pretty important role in decision making too.

Chaplains in military branches also do weddings.

these books helps.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 6:36 AM

mike:

Chaplains in big "christian" hospitals still and sometimes attend board meetings, including finance meetings, hospital outreach programs and hospital administration management meetings. They hold pretty important role in decision making too.

Chaplains in military branches also do weddings.

these books helps.

Yes we do,

And finance in hospital, hospice, alf's, military, etc... are very different then what it is in a congregation (and at the same time the same).  Hospital and hospice outreach into a community is very different then outreach from a congregation.

I stand by my comment that the majority of this collection is not helpful for chaplains.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 8:51 AM

You know what the sad/odd thing is? A lot of these resources (e.g. Mastering finances, pressure points, etc.) used to be included in the lower base packages just a few years ago.  Then, they got moved to Platinum L4 and then got taken out of Platinum and moved to Portfolio which put them out of reach for some people.  On the good/happy side is that now they are available at a somewhat cheaper price in this new base package.

DAL

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 10:05 AM

DAL:

You know what the sad/odd thing is? A lot of these resources (e.g. Mastering finances, pressure points, etc.) used to be included in the lower base packages just a few years ago.  Then, they got moved to Platinum L4 and then got taken out of Platinum and moved to Portfolio which put them out of reach for some people.  On the good/happy side is that now they are available at a somewhat cheaper price in this new base package.

DAL

Well, your point dovetails with mine regarding the pastoral resources being squirreled away in the top-end package--"out of reach" indeed. The past is the past and it is what it is, but now that Logos has assembled this package, I hope that they will pull some of these resources from the next-gen Portfolio (or its equivalent) and fill in with more scholarly resources. Ministerial, pastoral, chaplaincy, counseling, and other clergy resources may serve a majority of Logos users (I'm not positive, though), but it is still niche material. This package and others to follow can serve this niche without impinging on the other packages which serve those who have no need for such resources.

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Fasil | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 10:33 AM

I need some of the counselling, management and preaching resources. It would cost me more than double if I purchase them separately. It's a good deal for me. I got them for less than $2/Vol. Additional 75 Books for $117.31.

Thanks!

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Martin Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 29 2014 2:01 PM

Tom, thanks for sharing your insights. Some background might be helpful on the Chaplain's package.

Having been a credentialed chaplain myself (serving 12 law enforcement agencies, local to federal), I now work at Logos as a product manager. As such I helped design the Chaplain’s base package. We purposed it to address the broad range of responsibilities shouldered by the various types of chaplains: military, hospital, hospice, campus, corporate, correctional, police/fire, etc. The majority of these resources indeed do support the pastoral care responsibilities that many chaplains carry, but please note that we also included crisis care resources as well—the type of material I needed most during my own chaplaincy ministry (and which may also apply more directly to yours as well). 

    -- Martin Weber, DMin / Logos SDA product manager

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 5:42 AM

Martin Weber:

Tom, thanks for sharing your insights. Some background might be helpful on the Chaplain's package.

Having been a credentialed chaplain myself (serving 12 law enforcement agencies, local to federal), I now work at Logos as a product manager. As such I helped design the Chaplain’s base package. We purposed it to address the broad range of responsibilities shouldered by the various types of chaplains: military, hospital, hospice, campus, corporate, correctional, police/fire, etc. The majority of these resources indeed do support the pastoral care responsibilities that many chaplains carry, but please note that we also included crisis care resources as well—the type of material I needed most during my own chaplaincy ministry (and which may also apply more directly to yours as well). 

    -- Martin Weber, DMin / Logos SDA product manager

Sorry for the very very very very very very very late response.  

I will also say this, I have seen pastoral care supplied by chaplains who are and who are not board certified, and there are good and bad chaplains in "both categories." This being said, the bad pastoral care that I have seen by non-board certified chaplains has been very very very bad.  Thus, why I believe people who are board certified should have had been asked what is needed in a chaplain package.

Logos has two very good Augsburg fortress sets: Augsburg Fortress Pastoral Care Collection (8 vols.) and Fortress Press Creative Pastoral Care and Counseling Series (19 vols.)  Every B.C.C. library that I have viewed has some of these books being part of his/her/the organization's library.

Another standard book that Logos has that is not in this collection is The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross

Because most chaplains do work in a multicultural environment, resources like  The Sacred Books of the East (50 vols.) would be helpful.

Here are some books (some that I have suggested in the past) that should be in Logos (they could be in Vyrso by now, but I haven't look because I now have them in my kindle)

  • The Practice of Pastoral Care: A Postmodern Approach by Carrie Doehring
  • At the Will of the Body: Reflections on Illness by Arthur W. Frank
  • Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light by Mother Teresa
  • Community: The Structure of Belonging by Peter Block
  • God in Pain - Teaching Sermons on Suffering by Barbara Brown Taylor
  • Hearing Beyond The Words: How To Become A Listening Pastor by Emma J. Justes
  • I Was A Stranger: A Christian Theology Of Hospitality by Arthur. Sutherland
  • Professional Spiritual & Pastoral Care by Stephen Roberts  *  FYI... this is like the latest and greatest textbook on pastoral care for chaplains
  • When Bad Things Happen to Good People by Harold S Kushner.
  • Images of Pastoral Care by Robert C. Dykstra
  • The Gift to Listen, the Courage to Hear by Cari Jackson
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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 12 2014 6:01 AM

The Hammer of God: Revised Edition would also be a good fit, I would think.

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