New Package: "Chaplain's Base Package"

I'd really like to see a Verbum version of this.

Is Dynamic Pricing available for this base package?

Pinoy Preacher said:

Is Dynamic Pricing available for this base package?

Yes it is! Just don't forget to sign in to be able to see your price.  

I'm still debating whether to get it or not.  After an Anglican Silver, Reformed Silver, SDA Silver, Lutheran Starter, Verbum Basics and Spanish Tesoro I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with all those books in my library! I see a few things that are worth getting (e.g. Pastorum series 12 vols., Explorer's curriculum 14 vols.).  These two sets alone purchased separately are way above my dynamic pricing price.  I think I may call my sales rep tomorrow so she can make a few bucks off of me.  For 9 bucks more a month I can have it all and with dynamic pricing putting the Base Package at around $200 is not a bad buy.  I wish there was a new set of commentaries offered instead of the ones in this BP (e.g. Tyndale OT & NT; Life Application + Wiersbe if NIVAC cannot be offered).  But over all, it's a nice package for those serving as charlies (chaplin hehe...yeah, I know, it's spelled differently).  Anyway, as we say in Spanish, "I'll consult it with my pillow" meaning I'll think about it.  I don't have to have it right now anyway.

Thanks Logos!

DAL 

mike said:

to logos: thank you, this is the kind of package I found useful and practical for daily living.

I waited until someone posted a comment like this one before posting myself. This package is almost useless to me. It isn't that I think the information is entirely without merit--certainly it is not, as the comment above attests. It's just that I have waaaaay too much else on my plate with Bible study to ever get around to making use of this kind of material.

Which brings me to the purpose of my comment. Even though I have next to zero need for this stuff, I could nevertheless buy this package for pocket change...and if I bothered to apply the discount code, Logos would probably have to pay me to pick up the few extra titles I don't already have. The reason is because I own Portfolio, and portfolio has a mountain of these kinds of resources. I have made this observation/complaint before. I really don't understand why Logos assumes that its customers would want or need these kinds of resources. It has been said before that many and perhaps most of Logos's client base are pastors, ministers, or some other type of clergy. Maybe, but many are non-preaching bible scholars or just dedicated Bible students. I think Logos felt they needed to put these things in some package, and they ended up sticking them in Portfolio because...well, where else are you gonna put them?

Well, to me, the answer always seemed logical--in the cheaper packages, precisely because most pastors are rolling in dough and can't afford the top-end flagship package that Portfolio was when it first came out. Most pastors weren't getting these pastor-specific titles because they were all squirreled away in the pricey, nosebleed, cost-prohibitive Portfolio package. On the other hand, I bought the Portfolio because (besides being the best value) it had the best top-notch scholarly resources for Bible study...which, let's face it, many pastor types just aren't going to be that interested in acquiring because they just aren't "practical". To sum up, most pastors weren't getting the stuff they would be most likely to need, want, and use, and I was stuck with a trainload of glut I had no use for.

So, I'm glad that they have created this package for those for whom it fills a need. What I am hoping is that Logos will also remember the non-clergy scholars who want resources more like the Biblical Studies packages I campaigned for a few weeks back. The resources in the Unobtanium package I posted are not in any original base package, but would be very enticing for those who are focused Bible scholars. If Logos chooses to create a series of Biblical Studies base packages, great...or if they just offer the resources in a variety of add-on modules that are priced like base packages, that would be great, too. They could do both. [I] [Y]

I just found it ironic that this package has no interest for me, yet I could get it for a song because I already apparently have an average of 4/5 resources included in it.

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David Paul said:

What I am hoping is that Logos will also remember the non-clergy scholars who want resources more like the Biblical Studies packages I campaigned for a few weeks back.

Remember the Bundles contain a lot of this sort of material. They're not as good value as the base packages (base packages work out about $2/volume, whereas the bigger bundles are about $10-£20/bundle). However, as a Portfolio owner, you'll get them for half-price, and as you can ensure they won't include resources aimed at pastors, you may get better value there than in the base packages.

Gordon Jones said:

A new package called the "Chaplain's Base Package" is now available. It has 15% off right now if you use the discount code CHAPLAINBP.

https://www.logos.com/product/42493/chaplains-base-package

I was very very excited when I first heard about this collection.  Then I looked at what was in this collection.

It looks like they should have talked to a board certified chaplain before putting this package together.  As a chaplain, most of this material doesn't apply to chaplains.

For an example, I only know of two chaplains who have done a wedding as part of their chaplain role (I work as a chaplain in several hospitals & as a hospice chaplain).

While chaplains do preach, most tend to do this as a supply within their denomination - not as a role as a chaplain.  (chaplains who work in prison, military,  and long term health locations are the exception to this rule, and preaching in these settings is VERY VERY VERY different than preaching in a congregation.  Hospice chaplains do preach at funerals, but they tend to have a basic sermon that they use as the base for most of their funerals).

And books like Mastering Church Finances, Mastering Church Management and Mastering Outreach & Evangelism have nothing to do with being a chaplain.

I hope they update this collection to reflect the needs of chaplains.

mike said:

Chaplains in big "christian" hospitals still and sometimes attend board meetings, including finance meetings, hospital outreach programs and hospital administration management meetings. They hold pretty important role in decision making too.

Chaplains in military branches also do weddings.

these books helps.

Yes we do,

And finance in hospital, hospice, alf's, military, etc... are very different then what it is in a congregation (and at the same time the same).  Hospital and hospice outreach into a community is very different then outreach from a congregation.

I stand by my comment that the majority of this collection is not helpful for chaplains.

DAL said:

You know what the sad/odd thing is? A lot of these resources (e.g. Mastering finances, pressure points, etc.) used to be included in the lower base packages just a few years ago.  Then, they got moved to Platinum L4 and then got taken out of Platinum and moved to Portfolio which put them out of reach for some people.  On the good/happy side is that now they are available at a somewhat cheaper price in this new base package.

DAL

Well, your point dovetails with mine regarding the pastoral resources being squirreled away in the top-end package--"out of reach" indeed. The past is the past and it is what it is, but now that Logos has assembled this package, I hope that they will pull some of these resources from the next-gen Portfolio (or its equivalent) and fill in with more scholarly resources. Ministerial, pastoral, chaplaincy, counseling, and other clergy resources may serve a majority of Logos users (I'm not positive, though), but it is still niche material. This package and others to follow can serve this niche without impinging on the other packages which serve those who have no need for such resources.

The Hammer of God: Revised Edition would also be a good fit, I would think.