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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 31 2014 10:46 PM

Be careful Paul - my BA was in philosophy with a senior thesis on model theory applied to international interest rates. Philosophy IS the real world ... the question is simply whether or not you recognize the lens through which you experience the world. And yes, I started out as a chemistry major with a strong interest in .... abductive logic and model theory of course.Wink

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 31 2014 11:29 PM

MJ. Smith:
Be careful Paul
I have never been known for applying caution.
MJ. Smith:
Philosophy IS the real world  
No. Philosophy is an individual's view of the real world. Occasionally a bright philosopher can attract disciples to promote that view. Your original post included a preface. 
MJ. Smith:
Without factual evidence to the contrary, I suggest the guidelines provided to a high school philosophy class taught by a friend:
(Emphasis Mine) "Without factual evidence" philosophy becomes fantasy.

In this case we do have evidence. We know the policies that existed in the past. We know the policies that have been implemented/tailored recently, and we know that  at present the company is not willing to define what the future policy will be. Very clear evidence. I Think the logical side of your brain would override the philosophical side...in this case. Unless you claim to use both hemispheres simultaneously/continually. Smile

I recall commenting once that you "Had some Will Rogers in you" Occasionally you let down your guard and apply some Horse sense. This ain't one of those times. Wink

For the record:

Will Rogers' BS in BS impresses me more than your BA in Philosophy. Stick out tongue

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 31 2014 11:41 PM

Paul C:
I Think the logical side of your brain would override the philosophical side...in this case.

Logic is a subfield of philosophy and mathematics and computer science. The dichotomy is false.

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 31 2014 11:43 PM

Paul C:
No. Philosophy is an individual's view of the real world.

For Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus and even Spinoza, philosophy is at its apex an intellectual love of the Divine.[1]



[1] Carl F. H. Henry, God, Revelation, and Authority, vol. 1 (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 1999), 94.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 31 2014 11:48 PM

MJ. Smith:
Logic is a subfield of philosophy
Which came first ... The chicken or the egg?

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 31 2014 11:58 PM

Kent:
For Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus and even Spinoza, philosophy is at its apex an intellectual love of the Divine.[1]

Thanks Kent. I confess losing my focus....I digress.Smile

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Willard Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:17 AM

Claiming to be wise, they became fools .>>> Romans 1:22 

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JimTowler | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:17 AM

I want to thank Bob for taking the time to write to us here and attempting to explain his "rules" but much more, his heart.

I'm one of the ones that I guess is keeping the small light in the corner on. Other are paying for the larger main lights, but I like to think I'm helping. I'm even dumb enough to think that getting some of the CPs over the line is a ministry to others in that the work is not lost to history, but makes it into the digital world and has some hope of lasting longer. Not sure all those works deserve to be kept, but I like to think some might. Its also why I committed to EEC or ECC or whatever up front, for some $1000 or whatever it cost. Even now over a year later, I have less than 10 books, but I committed to the long term, in the hope it has lasting value in God's Kingdom.

In return, I want Logos to do whatever they can to make sure what I've spent does not go to waste. That's got a few angles: one is to keep the company around, and for that they need to be able to pay the bills and keep the servers running; another aspect is to attempt to find ways to keep my licenses readable if the company ever went away. Not sure how to plan for that one, but its not unlike software escrow, in that the company agrees to hand over the software source code before shutting the company. Not sure how to do that with digital rights.

I guess my part, in not "wasting" what I've spent, I need to read and take to heart what God is wanting to teach me. And just maybe I can sow some of that into the lives of others.

Thank you Bob. Please keep attempting to find ways to look after your customers that are keeping the lights on.

Jim Towler,

Wellington

New Zealand.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:19 AM

Paul C:
Which came first ... The chicken or the egg?

Which answer do you want?

  • irrelevant in that logic relates to truth values ... but you may counter with my previous reference to abductive and/or defeasible logic
  • the egg because eggs exist in species that precede the fowl
  • reference to the causality dilemma being related to the circular reference dilemma of which there are far more interesting examples
  • reference to the abortion argument to contend that a fertilized egg is a fowl
  • reference to Genesis 1 to argue God created fowl not eggs
  • insist that you define your terms, the domain of discourse, etc. so that there is a single applicable answer

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:26 AM

In many cultures, the phrase "I digress" grant's one the last word. Obviously this is not one of those cultures. Stick out tongue

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:27 AM

Willard Scott:
Claiming to be wise, they became fools .>>> Romans 1:22 

Basic linguistics would tell you this is useless as logic or as a well formed English statement ... a pronoun without an antecedent to provide its meaning (see deixsis in wikipedia) is meaningless.

Fallacy detective is going to have to father a litter of puppies to cover this thread. Stick out tongue

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Paolo russo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:29 AM

Hi, I was thinking about the market penetration, and the 1% of recurring customer, 10% of the user paying, etc...

If we imagine that we can buy all we need in a few years, and then we dont have reason to buy more books, because we get stability and good deep wide collection, then...how can Logos survive as a company? There are only two ways, 1)selling more to new customers, 2)selling services to old customers.

In the attempt to secure my investment, I would like to tell Bob, and Logos that if in the nera/distant future, their business as book seller will go down to the point that they must take some tough decisions...I will be interested in paying a recurring fee to pay for the servers, computer, and workers, who can keep up running my logos collection, tagging, and iPad app. IF it ever happens, consider to turn the business in a different direction, instead of closing it.

So we can dream peacefully, in any case.

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Willard Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:36 AM

MJ. Smith:

Willard Scott:
Claiming to be wise, they became fools .>>> Romans 1:22 

Basic linguistics would tell you this is useless as logic or as a well formed English statement

When will Your LOGICAL translation of Scripture be available?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 12:58 AM

Willard Scott:
When will Your LOGICAL translation of Scripture be available?

Many translations are linguistically (and logically) solid. What I'm waiting for is a larger percentage of the interpretation of scripture to be equally thoughtful - whether that interpretation be expressed in words, action or art.

But despite Logos doing deixsis for us in their recent tagging to support clausal searches and despite Logos moving into philosophy especially in the Noet market, I fear this subthread with you and Paul is not exactly relevant to the Logos software so I'll bow out before it gets too out of hand.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 1:09 AM

Well, Willard;

She got the last word. Stick out tongue

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 8:28 AM

Paolo russo:
In the attempt to secure my investment, I would like to tell Bob, and Logos that if in the nera/distant future, their business as book seller will go down to the point that they must take some tough decisions...I will be interested in paying a recurring fee to pay for the servers, computer, and workers, who can keep up running my logos collection, tagging, and iPad app. IF it ever happens, consider to turn the business in a different direction, instead of closing it.

"investment"?   "recurring fee"?  "different direction"?

I believe the day is coming when everyone will pay a monthly fee to rent Logos resources.  I imagine many publishers will pull their books from Logos and others will require a premium to access their titles. The cable TV industry operates this way. We should thoughtfully consider the difference between the following two sentences:

  • "You will never pay twice for your books."
  • "You will own your books forever."

They look similar but they don't mean the same thing. Logos only said one of the statements.

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 9:13 AM

Super.Tramp:
I believe the day is coming when everyone will pay a monthly fee to rent Logos resources.
NO ! Not Everyone.
Super.Tramp:
"You will never pay twice for your books."
For those of us who own books, A monthly fee would constitute paying for books more than once.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 9:26 AM

Schezic:

Super.Tramp:
I believe the day is coming when everyone will pay a monthly fee to rent Logos resources.
NO ! Not Everyone.
Super.Tramp:
"You will never pay twice for your books."
For those of us who own books, A monthly fee would constitute paying for books more than once.

You are correct. I won't be renting Logos books.  As for paying twice; nobody will be forced to subscribe.    Of course, I am just running my mouth in speculation.

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 9:36 AM

MJ. Smith:
the egg because eggs exist in species that precede the fowl

  The history of most fossil species includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:
      1.      Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless.
      2.      Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors: it appears all at once and “fully formed.”



Norman L. Geisler and Ronald M. Brooks, When Skeptics Ask (Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1990), 229.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 1 2014 9:39 AM

I can prove, using the Bible, the chicken came first.   But that is a discussion for ChristianDiscourse.com

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