Why all the bundling? Request to Logos/Faithlife staff

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 4 2017 12:34 PM

I never heard back on the ones I suggested earlier so I'm guessing they are a no? 

What about this one: https://www.logos.com/product/55832/crossway-apologetics-collection-2 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 8 2017 8:33 PM

Any chance of breaking this one up? 

https://www.logos.com/product/55810/crossway-andreas-j-kostenberger-collection 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 8 2017 8:34 PM

Mattillo:

Any thoughts on breaking up these below bundles?  If not now, when?  Thank you

What Does the Bible Really Teach about Homosexuality? by Kevin DeYoung which is found in https://www.logos.com/product/55583/crossway-christian-life-collection

The Second Coming: Signs of Christ’s Return and the End of the Age by John MacArthur found in https://www.logos.com/product/55576/crossway-theology-collection-2

Bibliotheca Sacra 2015 journal articles found in https://www.logos.com/product/54391/master-journal-bundle-21  

Select Works of Sean & Josh McDowell: https://www.logos.com/product/50147/

Also still wondering on these

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 10 2017 9:44 AM

PetahChristian:

PetahChristian:

We apparently can't buy OT355's EBCREV06 resource separately, as there is an "Only sold as part of the collection" icon.

However, that commentary volume is the most-linked resource for the course, at 49x. What are we supposed to do when we have pre-ordered the course, but can't afford to buy a whole commentary set to get access to a single critical volume?

Can the publisher please relax that restriction?

Can anything be done about this? Is it FL's policy to ensure that Mobile Ed course resources are sold separately?

I'm looking into this right now. I'm not sure why we aren't currently selling that resource as a standalone product. 

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 10 2017 9:45 AM

PetahChristian:

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):

PetahChristian:

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):
It makes a lot of sense to ensure that resources that are part of Mobile Ed courses are always available as standalone products. I'll have the team do a review and make sure that is the case.

PD101 links to Comfort from Romans, which is only available in a bundle. Can that resource please become a standalone product? Thanks!

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll get it in the queue to be split out.

Did it make it into the queue, and is waiting for someone to get to it? Just trying to stay on top of outstanding issues, so they don't fall off my radar.

We do have it in the queue to be split up. I can't give you an estimate yet of when it will happen.

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 10 2017 9:47 AM

Mattillo:

Mattillo:

Any thoughts on breaking up these below bundles?  If not now, when?  Thank you

What Does the Bible Really Teach about Homosexuality? by Kevin DeYoung which is found in https://www.logos.com/product/55583/crossway-christian-life-collection

The Second Coming: Signs of Christ’s Return and the End of the Age by John MacArthur found in https://www.logos.com/product/55576/crossway-theology-collection-2

Bibliotheca Sacra 2015 journal articles found in https://www.logos.com/product/54391/master-journal-bundle-21  

Select Works of Sean & Josh McDowell: https://www.logos.com/product/50147/

Also still wondering on these

All the Crossway bundles will eventually be split up, it's just a matter of timing and prioritization at this point. I'm sorry I don't have anything more specific at this point.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 10 2017 10:35 AM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):

Mattillo:

Mattillo:

Any thoughts on breaking up these below bundles?  If not now, when?  Thank you

What Does the Bible Really Teach about Homosexuality? by Kevin DeYoung which is found in https://www.logos.com/product/55583/crossway-christian-life-collection

The Second Coming: Signs of Christ’s Return and the End of the Age by John MacArthur found in https://www.logos.com/product/55576/crossway-theology-collection-2

Bibliotheca Sacra 2015 journal articles found in https://www.logos.com/product/54391/master-journal-bundle-21  

Select Works of Sean & Josh McDowell: https://www.logos.com/product/50147/

Also still wondering on these

All the Crossway bundles will eventually be split up, it's just a matter of timing and prioritization at this point. I'm sorry I don't have anything more specific at this point.

Thank you Ben.  I added a few more before this post on an apologetics collection and the Kostenberger collection so hopefully those are on your radar as well.  You specifically mention Crossway in your post so does that mean any non-crossway won't be broken up?

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 10 2017 10:44 AM

Mattillo:
You specifically mention Crossway in your post so does that mean any non-crossway won't be broken up?

Our goal is to split everything we can. I specifically mentioned Crossway because many of the books mentioned here are from the Crossway collections that recently shipped.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 13 2017 6:02 AM

Another I'd like to see broken up though this one is pretty good as a package

https://www.logos.com/product/55068/select-works-of-norman-l-geisler-ii 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 5 2017 5:27 PM

Another one that needs to be broken up 

https://www.logos.com/product/47531/kregel-apologetics-collection 

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Brooks Cochran | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 5 2017 6:23 PM

Mattillo: If God Why Evil? is on sale on Vyrso.

https://vyrso.com/product/14017/if-god-why-evil

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 5 2017 6:56 PM

Brooks Cochran:

Mattillo: If God Why Evil? is on sale on Vyrso.

https://vyrso.com/product/14017/if-god-why-evil

Thank you sir! That is a good book indeed

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 22 2017 7:56 PM

A couple more that could stand to be broken up soon (full disclosure: I need one book from each of these for my fourth year seminary classes this fall).

https://www.logos.com/product/43955/eerdmans-contemporary-theology-collection

https://www.logos.com/product/29601/fortress-press-studies-in-john

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 23 2017 8:12 AM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):

All the Crossway bundles will eventually be split up, it's just a matter of timing and prioritization at this point. I'm sorry I don't have anything more specific at this point.

I'm glad to hear that the Crossway bundles will be split up, hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 23 2017 8:41 AM

Just my 2cents worth:  Perhaps it would be helpful to bundle the books associated with Mobile Ed courses WITH the course. 

It would be wonderful if FL would package Mobile Ed courses in this manner:

  1. Mobile Ed course xyz (Course Basic)
  2. Mobile Ed course xyz with essential course resources (Course Essentials)
  3. Mobile Ed course xyz with all required / recommended course resources (Course Premium)
  4. Mobile Ed course xyz - essential course resources only, for those who already own the course (Course Resource Essentials)
  5. Mobile Ed course xyz - all require course resources only, for those who already own the course (Course Resource Premium)

Then, as already said, we could purchase all of the resources with one click, without having to search here and there for each one.

Just my two cents, for what it's (or isn't) worth. LOL.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 23 2017 10:26 AM

Myke Harbuck:

Then, as already said, we could purchase all of the resources with one click, without having to search here and there for each one.

Just my two cents, for what it's (or isn't) worth. LOL.

Sensible idea but occasionally I have heard of a recommended resource being only available in a bundle so prices mixed be pretty high sometimes if you require something like EBCR to get the Isaiah volume.

-dan

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 23 2017 10:37 AM

Dan Francis:

Myke Harbuck:

Then, as already said, we could purchase all of the resources with one click, without having to search here and there for each one.

Just my two cents, for what it's (or isn't) worth. LOL.

Sensible idea but occasionally I have heard of a recommended resource being only available in a bundle so prices mixed be pretty high sometimes if you require something like EBCR to get the Isaiah volume.

-dan

This was said in the context of a discussion about unbundling resources, so I assumed that was a given. My bad. That's what I meant...that the resources would each be individually available in the mobile ed packaged deal.

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Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College
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WR82 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 6:49 PM

Ben, Could you unbundle this one?

https://www.logos.com/product/51888/reformation-heritage-theology-collection

Thanks!

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 7:24 PM

Ben,

Is it still Faithlife's policy to wait 6 months before considering breaking up bundles? I do realize some things will probably never be broken up pre the publishers requirements.

My previous understanding about the purpose for the bundling of books was so that more titles made their way into the Logos ecosystem. There are now probably thousands of books in Logos that never would have made the support cut in the prepub system as stand alone titles. That being said, is Logos considering a change, as I now see more single titles coming through prepub than I'm used to seeing in the past.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 9:05 PM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):

Mattillo:
You specifically mention Crossway in your post so does that mean any non-crossway won't be broken up?

Our goal is to split everything we can. I specifically mentioned Crossway because many of the books mentioned here are from the Crossway collections that recently shipped.

It would be optimal if things could be realized unbundled along with bundled at the time of publishing. Logos already has such a delay from Kindle/dead-tree publication to Logos publication that sales are lost. Unbundling and charging a premium (or consider it the flipside that the bundle is the discount) would make sense and probably ultimately result in increased sales, especially from a whole set of customers that   you aren't reaching now

Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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