New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS)

I've found myself using the "Septuagint Version of the Old Testament" when comparing Septuagint and MT readings; but it would be great to have an English translation of the Septuagint that isn't 166 years old [:)]

This fairly new translation published by Oxford looks good:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/

You can even download it in PDF form from their website so shouldn't be too complicated to produce right? [;)]

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MJ. Smith

Yes, it is good. Yes, I have it in page & spine format. Yes, I'd love to have it in Logos. Yes, I am anxious for them to complete the annotations.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114140#Comment_114140

I vote yes [Y]

Brian Davidson

I suggested this resource a couple years ago, but have not heard anything. Glad to see it suggested again.

HJ. van der Wal

+1 [Y]

I hope the German Bible Society will make a translation of the Septuagint available in SESB. Last year a German translation of the Septuagint was published which already has become available in their Bibledigital software: http://www.bibelonline.de/products/Neuerscheinungen/bibeldigital-Septuaginta-Deutsch.html

Garry Vanderveen

I have recommended this work several times and I'm not sure why Logos hasn't done anything about it. It has been available in Accordance for quite some time. I use it frequently and it is much better - and I mean much better - than the 166 year old translation!

Anthony H

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/138969#Comment_138969

[Y]

Mathew Voth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/138986#Comment_138986

I am in seminary at ACTS which is a part of TWU in B.C., and a number of the teachers here were involved in the translation process (the Septuagint Institute is based here), and I can assure you that it is excellent.

Logos, this really should be a priority...

Garry Vanderveen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/138995#Comment_138995

Matt, I hear you. :-) I too am an ACTS student.

We want NETS! We want NETS!

:-)

Mike Aubrey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/139004#Comment_139004

Matt, I hear you. :-) I too am an ACTS student.

I didn't realize there were so many of us...

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/139004#Comment_139004

Matt, I hear you. :-) I too am an ACTS student.

We want NETS! We want NETS!

:-)

Yes, we want NUTS, we want NUTS ! Oops, make that NETS.

Mike S.

[Y][Y][Y][Y]

Brian Leathers

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/139018#Comment_139018

I vote Yes too!! A modern English translation of the Septuagint would be wonderful! [Y][H]

James W Bennett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141604#Comment_141604

[Y]

There is also the St Athanasius Academy Septuagint by the St Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology. Thomas Nelson publishes the translation in the Orthodox Study Bible.

Dave Mackey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141623#Comment_141623

::bump:: I'd like to see NETS as a Logos resource as well.

David Knoll

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/147068#Comment_147068

Count me as well

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/147301#Comment_147301

Very good suggestion. [Y]

Donovan R. Palmer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/153301#Comment_153301

Yes please! [:)]

Garry Vanderveen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/153389#Comment_153389

I haven't heard a peep out of Logos. I wonder if they are actively pursuing NETS? Anyone?

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/161532#Comment_161532

I haven't heard a peep out of Logos. I wonder if they are actively pursuing NETS? Anyone?

The wheel can turn slow on these things and if they are in licensing negotiations you most defintely won't hear a peep from the good folk at Logos.

Your suggestion gets my vote though Gary, just in case Logos need a gentle reminder. A reverse interlinear version would be most valued so that it integrates tightly into the other tools on the logos platform would be really great.

I also would like to see the german version in SESB 4 that another poster mentioned.

Garry Vanderveen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/161539#Comment_161539

Any word on NETS yet?

Bob Burns

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/161539#Comment_161539

So what is the date for the NETS on Logos 4? ;-)

Milkman

That would be a great addition to have. Sign me up for the Pre-pub.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/183411#Comment_183411

Seems I missed to vote for this.

Rob Lloyd

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/190770#Comment_190770

I'd like to add my vote for NETS, especially with a reverse interlinear.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/217114#Comment_217114

I'd like to add my vote for NETS, especially with a reverse interlinear.

Realizing that it isn't the same as having a Logos edition, you can download PDF files of the translation which might serve temporarily here

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/217120#Comment_217120

I'd like to add my vote for NETS, especially with a reverse interlinear.

Realizing that it isn't the same as having a Logos edition, you can download PDF files of the translation which might serve temporarily here

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

George! *smile*

Thank you for that link! It's a great site and will be of significance to me until Logos has it in our preferred format - the Logos Edition!

Peace! And Joy, George!

Eric Weiss

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141623#Comment_141623

There is also the St Athanasius Academy Septuagint by the St Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology. Thomas Nelson publishes the translation in the Orthodox Study Bible.

The Thomas Nelson Orthodox Study Bible is a flawed LXX translation. See the many reviews/critiques of it on the Internet. E.g., Psalm 22 (Ps. 23 English) conforms to the Masoretic Text, not the Old Greek text, when it reads "The Lord is my shepherd" instead of "The Lord shepherds me" (the Hebrew could be read either way, but the LXX translators chose to make it a verb) and "You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over." instead of "You anointed my head with oil, and your cup intoxicates as the most excellent [wine?]."

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/217122#Comment_217122

There is also the St Athanasius Academy Septuagint by the St Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology. Thomas Nelson publishes the translation in the Orthodox Study Bible.

The Thomas Nelson Orthodox Study Bible is a flawed LXX translation. See the many reviews/critiques of it on the Internet. E.g., Psalm 22 (Ps. 23 English) conforms to the Masoretic Text, not the Old Greek text, when it reads "The Lord is my shepherd" instead of "The Lord shepherds me" (the Hebrew could be read either way, but the LXX translators chose to make it a verb) and "You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over." instead of "You anointed my head with oil, and your cup intoxicates as the most excellent [wine?]."

Interesting. I never bothered to read the LXX version of Ps 23 since I only do that when I have a particular reason to compare the MT with the LXX (and I never had one), but you are correct. Someone was asleep to let that slip through.

Garry Vanderveen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/161539#Comment_161539

Any news yet?

Meshaal

I vote yes too [Y]

Alex Smith

I emailed suggest@logos.com about it, including this thread to prove there's been a lot of interest in it for at least 18 months now... what else can be done to encourage them?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300053#Comment_300053

Alex ... appreciate your extra effort.

Maybe we need to sponsor a bus to the University of Pennsylvania.

We could bring along our Olivetree phones and read NETS on the way!

Maybe have a birthday cake on November 17th to celebrate NETS's 4 year anniversary. Almost ready for 1st grade!

I wonder if this one was one Logos hinted they were having trouble with. It's too obvious for Logos not to have been working it.

Alex Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300056#Comment_300056

I've also just added it to their suggestion queue, please put 3 votes on it, and it might actually get noticed [H]

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/2351260-add-new-english-translation-of-the-septuagint-net

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300060#Comment_300060

I've also just added it to their suggestion queue, please put 3 votes on it, and it might actually get noticed

http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/2351260-add-new-english-translation-of-the-septuagint-net

First: welcome to the forums, since no one said that after your first post.

Uservoice is for features, not books. Logos can decide how to spend developers' time based on votes, because they employ those developers. They can't decide what books to publish based on votes, because they don't own the rights to those books. If the copyright holder says no, it doesn't matter if you've gathered a million votes. Logos still can't produce it. So all your suggestion is doing really is to take votes away from other suggestions, where they might have had an influence.

It's also probably the least likely place for your suggestion to be noticed. I doubt that the publishing team reads Uservoice. The best way to get a resource suggestion noticed is to send a mail to suggest@logos.com. The second best is to use the Suggestion forum. After that it's really very little we can do, except wait. You could try contacting the publisher directly, but that may or may not help. Sometimes it's a good idea, but there's been rumours that some publishers get really annoyed by it.

And as for "Should be easy to license/import as Accordance has had it for years", well, that may be precisely why it's impossible to license. Accordance may have negotiated a contract that gives them the sole right to publish NETS electronically.

Alex Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300256#Comment_300256

First: welcome to the forums, since no one said that after your first post.

Thanks fgh

Uservoice is for features, not books.

I saw other book suggestions there, so I thought it was ok, sorry [:$].

Logos can decide how to spend developers' time based on votes, because they employ those developers. They can't decide what books to publish based on votes, because they don't own the rights to those books. If the copyright holder says no, it doesn't matter if you've gathered a million votes. Logos still can't produce it.

True, but if the copyright holder says yes, it does take developers' time to implement, particularly if they do the Reverse Interlinear.

The best way to get a resource suggestion noticed is to send a mail to suggest@logos.com. The second best is to use the Suggestion forum.

I've done both & now I've also emailed NETS & the Oxford University Press to make sure there isn't a problem a their end.

And as for "Should be easy to license/import as Accordance has had it for years", well, that may be precisely why it's impossible to license. Accordance may have negotiated a contract that gives them the sole right to publish NETS electronically.

Maybe, but the following makes me hope that's not the case, http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/ "The files of this electronic edition are in Adobe Acrobat (PDF) format. ... You are free to download these files for your personal, scholarly purposes. ... NETS is currently available as a module in Accordance, and we expect that other electronic Bible databases will also license it from the Press in the future." However, I'll only know for sure when they reply to my emails.

Is Mebin

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300309#Comment_300309

I have it on Kindle...so the rights can't be exclusive

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300309#Comment_300309

I saw other book suggestions there, so I thought it was ok, sorry .

No need for the [:$]. I don't think it's forbidden in any way, just not very meaningful in my opinion.

True, but if the copyright holder says yes, it does take developers' time to implement, particularly if they do the Reverse Interlinear.

From everything I've read, the text development teams are separate from the software development teams, and those who do RI's are even more separate. Also, the text development teams are the ones that bring in the money, the software development teams are the ones that spend it, so I think we can be pretty confident that no votes of ours are needed to give the former whatever they need from the latter. [;)] And since NETS has every potential to become a bestseller, I suspect we can also be pretty confident that if it's not being produced, it's not because Logos doesn't want to.

the following makes me hope that's not the case, (...) we expect that other electronic Bible databases will also license it from the Press in the future."

Good find, and good sign.

I've also emailed NETS & the Oxford University Press

Ouch! Is OUP involved? Very bad sign. Logos currently seems to be having serious troubles licensing anything at all from OUP.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300326#Comment_300326

Oh my. OUP. Ok ... everybody off the NETS bus.

Adam Rao

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/300329#Comment_300329

Any updates on NETS?

Alex Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/471625#Comment_471625

I hope so.

elnwood

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/471844#Comment_471844

Olive Tree has just released the New English Translation of the Septuagint. When is Logos going to get it?

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/217121#Comment_217121

I'd like to add my vote for NETS, especially with a reverse interlinear.

Realizing that it isn't the same as having a Logos edition, you can download PDF files of the translation which might serve temporarily here

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

George! *smile*

Thank you for that link! It's a great site and will be of significance to me until Logos has it in our preferred format - the Logos Edition!

Peace! And Joy, George!

Big "Bump!" *smile* Peace and Joy to all!

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/531042#Comment_531042

Several versions of the Septuagint have been listed in this thread - Let have them all!

Joseph Turner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/531042#Comment_531042

Olive Tree has just released the New English Translation of the Septuagint. When is Logos going to get it?

I just noticed this as well.

Adam Rao

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/531160#Comment_531160

NETS is a glaring omission from Logos' resource library. Here's hoping it's coming soon.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/531185#Comment_531185

I've had NETS on BibleReader since maybe 2007 or so. I wonder what the new OliveTree release is?

Charles

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/471625#Comment_471625

Years, not months, are passing. Still not NETS on Logos?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565443#Comment_565443

I think there's some confusion with Logos strategic plans. NETS isn't yet public domain. Brenton anyone?

Adam Rao

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/565446#Comment_565446

Does anyone else find it ironic that the free book of the month – Jesus and Scripture by Steve Moyise – mentions NETS as part of the introduction and Logos STILL doesn't have this resource?!

Unix

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/582673#Comment_582673

Perhaps in this way Logos is testing how much interest there is for the Bible. I have it in Accordance since a year, would not have waited for it to become available in Logos. Certainly many would have promoted it, but it could still be lingering in pre-pub even if it would have been introduced in Logos a year ago. Logos has to choose which Bible versions to introduce. I would like to see: the 2004 Good News Translation 3rd Edition UK-English:

the free book of the month – Jesus and Scripture by Steve Moyise – mentions NETS as part of the introduction and Logos STILL doesn't have this resource?!