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Andrew Biddinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 9 2018 7:26 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

We're considering group licensing of certain products to a Faithlife family group, so everyone in your family would be able to access the licenses on their own individual accounts. Not all content would qualify for a multi-user license, but some would—and more would over time.

YES!!! Party!!! Having the ability to share my account with my family would be amazing.

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

If you have other recommendations on what kinds of content you'd like to see in a package for kids or a package for families, please keep the suggestions coming.

So, our church uses a service that gives us a church website (among other stuff) and Children's Sunday school material (High quality Bible videos, curriculum...etc). This might be a good idea, that is kid related, that would be nice to add to your growing church platform.

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 9 2018 9:42 PM

Mark:

I have a 15 year old using Logos Basic. I had to purchase William MacDonald's Believer's Bible Commentary for him.  I think it is very helpful for children.  He wanted particular Bibles (NET and NKJV).  He is involved with the National Bible Bee and memorizes a lot of Scripture as well as studies the Bible.  I have a 17 year old who also does this.  Both have basic, but it would be good to see a children's packet or a list of resources perhaps here on this thread that can be put together for children.

I know both my children have been won over to Logos through their studies.  And I believe more children would be won over if there was some thought put into creating a small, simple package or an article which highlights what would be helpful for children.

Sounds like your 15 year old is on steroids!  Wink

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 9 2018 10:14 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

As a father of four young children, two of whom use Logos on mobile devices occasionally, I've been thinking about products for children and families. We're exploring a few ideas and may start testing some in Q3.

We're considering group licensing of certain products to a Faithlife family group, so everyone in your family would be able to access the licenses on their own individual accounts. Not all content would qualify for a multi-user license, but some would—and more would over time.

If you have other recommendations on what kinds of content you'd like to see in a package for kids or a package for families, please keep the suggestions coming.

If you were going to invest in a version of Logos for your family, what price point would make sense for you?

Here are some other thoughts/suggestions for us parents who would a pathway for our children to start with Logos and to take it with them when they become adults:

  1. Group Licensing:  Thumbs up!

  2. Package for families:  IME, parents and families are incredibly diverse.  Some more advanced than others.  I could see a lot of challenges in creating a "family-oriented" base package.  For example, my kids have been working through the Hebrew Primer resource.  They are translating Hebrew sentences with the aid of a dictionary for a few months now.  But this isn't everyone's cup of tea.

  3. Give more prominence on the Logos site of the FL eBook site.  I went looking amongst Products and didn't find anything.  Never thought to look in Vyrso until it was suggested.  
  4. Have a section of the FL eBook site designated for children and all the resources should be sortable by reading age and type.
  5. Make sure that it is visibly prominent otherwise other parents not in the know won't know to look for it, a kids resource gallery or store, if you will. 
  6. Until now, Logos is firmly parked in most of our brains as a product aimed at adults not children.  FL is going to need to do some work to break that perception down.  Advertising on home pages, articles in Logos Blog and everywhere else is going to be needed.
  7. The Logos Base package with LEB, LBD and LSB is a terrific starting point for 14 year olds and up.  BDB is a lot harder to access.
  8. Make the Home screen include resources that are suitable for children, because of their diversity, be able to dial up a different home screen for different age categories: junior school, middle school, pre-teens and teenagers.  Have a logos Blog that is aimed at different age groups.  I imagine the Home Screen will customize itself as it shows more samples of material from the eBook store.  
  9. Buy and play bible games through and on the Logos platform.  Yeah lots of games.  Imagine a RTS set in bible lands (re-enact the battle between....) seriously, games for memorizing bible verses, games for re-telling bible stories, games for learning Greek, games for learning Hebrew.... the mind boggles.  I'd probably play some too.  Heh.  
Oops getting carried away now.   To make Logos more usable, attractive for them and to reduce the chance they would be overwhelmed:
  1. Changed all the fonts to san serif
  2. Zoomed the program so that everything was 20% bigger.
  3. Prioritized the Lexham Bible, Dictionary and Study Bibles
  4. Modified one of the standard layouts to have two panels with the bible on the left and the Lexham Resources together with a Notes tab on the RHS.  Saved the layout.
  5. Bought them suitable/preferred bibles
  6. Set these as their preferred bibles
  7. Cleaned up their home screens to reduce the stuff they wouldn't be interested in

Hope that helps.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 10 2018 8:41 AM

Phil

Here is a list of some resources that could be in a package or several packages:

Homeschool Material
Greek Course
Hebrew Course
English Dictionary
MacArthur, J., Ennis, P., Greer, C. P., Jr., Horner, G., Hughes, J. J., Jones, T. B., … Tatlock, M. A. (2003). Think biblically! recovering a christian worldview. Wheaton, IL: Crossway.
Encyclopediea Britannica
Great books of teh western world
Harvard Classics
History
LOEB Classical Library
Sherlock Holmes
HG WElls


Relationships and Teenage Years
5 love languages for children (Gary Chapman).
The measure of a young man (Gene Getz)
10 Things for Teen Girls (Kate Conner)
Appleseeds (Mentoring program for preteen girls)
Resources on dating and relationships
Cook, D. C. (2013). Daily grace for teens. Colorado Springs, CO: David C Cook.

Science and the Bible
Creation vs Evolution



JR Tolken
CS Lewis
Classic Christian Stories
Scripture memory
Bible Dictionary
Apologetics

Anderson, R., & Veerman, D. (1999). Bible humor top 7 lists (electronic ed.). Nashville: Word Pub.

Marty, W. H. (2011). The whole Bible story: everything that happens in the Bible in plain English. Grand Rapids, MI: Bethany House.

The Books of the Bible made easy. Alresford, Hampshire: John Hunt Publishing.

Moody, D. L. (1877). D. L. Moody’s Child Stories Related by Him in His Revival Work. (J. B. McClure, Ed.). Chicago: Rhodes & McClure.

Holman Bible Handbook
Holman quicksource guide to understanding the Bible

Ryrie, C. C. (1991). Biblical answers to tough questions. Chicago, IL: Moody Press.

Group, B. P. (2011). God’s answers for life’s questions. Grand Rapids, MI: Bethany House.

Crucial Questions (RC Sproul)

The New Treasury of Scripture knowledge

Anderson, K. (1996). Where to Find It in the Bible. Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.

Devotionals

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 10 2018 8:46 AM

Children also like multi media resources...access to timeline, maps etc

How much would I be willing to pay?  I think there could be different packages...I would be willing to pay a good amount of money.

These packages dont have to be formal packages. They can be could be categories that would appeal to children or parents of children so they can be easily found for consideration.

I also think there should be a wishlist for ebooks

My hope would be that this type of product would produce a desire to purchase more as they get older.

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Elliot Swaim | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 10 2018 10:34 AM

DAL:

Unfortunately and sadly, most kids now days don’t really “get into the Bible,“ so from a business perspective adding to what we already have is better than creating a new product.  ...  Imagine a kid telling another kid, “ wow I typed a passage in the  “exegetical  guy” and he gave me a cool Greek meaning!!!”

DAL

Sadly, the vast majority of even Christian kids are like that; however, there are perhaps more than you realize who would be interested in looking up "cool Greek meanings!!!"  I'm involved in a competition called the National Bible Bee in which thousands of kids from ages seven to eighteen participate to memorize verses and study the Bible as well as Greek and Hebrew key words from their study.  Of those thousands, I'm sure the over three hundred who qualify from the Local to the National contest as well as many others who devoted themselves to the study but didn't make it to Nationals would be thrilled to have such Bible resources.

Here are a list of resources that I think would be helpful and used specifically by the Bible Bee but also things that any young child would be able to enjoy and understand:

Guides (I don't know how many of these are included or excluded from certain packages for a specific reason, but these are just my suggestions based on either what I have or I looked up to find that they would be helpful for kids)

The Bible Word Study (BWS) for studying Greek and Hebrew words.  I personally love the layout, and I do think that younger children would be able to understand it

The BWS will probably be enough, but the Exegetical Guide might also be helpful to some.  I don't think the layout is good for younger children, but maybe some of the older ones would like see how the Greek/Hebrew words fit together in the verses.

I have never really used it much, but looking over it, Passage Guide looks like it could be useful too -- particularly the Cross References, Parallel Passages, Biblical People, Biblical Places, Biblical Things, Biblical Events, Topics, Interesting Words, and maybe Cultural Concepts.

Maybe Topic Guide

Documents (I don't know how many of these are included or excluded from certain packages for a specific reason, but these are just my suggestions based on either what I have or I looked up to find that they would be helpful for kids)

Probably Clippings to help study certain topics and cross-references

Notes

Passage list to keep track of and study memory verses and cross references

Again, I've never used Reading Plan, but others might to keep track of how much study they have to do each day

Maybe but probably not the Sentence Diagram as seven-year-olds probably don't know how to diagram sentences (a few more years of misery are yet ahead of them in school)

Visual Filters

Maybe Word Find Puzzle

Word List

Tools (I don't know how many of these are included or excluded from certain packages for a specific reason, but these are just my suggestions based on either what I have or I looked up to find that they would be helpful for kids)

Collections

Courses -- It would be amazing if the Bible Bee could turn their Study Book into a course on Logos, 

Some more obvious ones that I'm 99.99% sure are included with Logos no mater what package you get

Definitely Atlas

Timeline

Maybe Factbook

Probably Timeline

Everything under the utilities section

I guess Explorer

Maybe Pronunciation

Books

Sometimes the BWS isn't enough of a definition for a Greek/Hebrew (G/H) words.  The ones that I just happen to have are A Pocket Lexicon to the Greek New Testament and Abridged Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew-English Lexicon.  Maybe there are some better ones.  The other one that the study material for the BB (Bible Bee) recommends is Strong's Concordance. That should also be included

The Bible obviously.  The versions allowed for the Bible Bee are KJV, NKJV, NASB, ESV, and NIV.  I think these versions should be included in the package as well as any other child-friendly versions.

Several good commentaries.  What's great about the Faithlife Study Bible (which should be part of it) is that it's filled with pictures (which should also be part of it).  I don't know if there are any other commentaries like it that have diagrams and pictures or cartoons, but those would be nice too.  The problem with the Faithlife Study Bible is it isn't always as in-depth as I'd like it.  Sometimes there are things I want to learn about or verify with a commentary, but the FSB doesn't talk about it.  So in addition to child-friendly commentaries, there should also be at least one comprehensive but exhaustive commentary (i.e. if it uses either of those words, then it doesn't qualify)

Exhaustive cross reference book(s) (They would be used for the BB to find cross-references)

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 10 2018 12:37 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

As a father of four young children, two of whom use Logos on mobile devices occasionally, I've been thinking about products for children and families. We're exploring a few ideas and may start testing some in Q3.

We're considering group licensing of certain products to a Faithlife family group, so everyone in your family would be able to access the licenses on their own individual accounts. Not all content would qualify for a multi-user license, but some would—and more would over time.

If you have other recommendations on what kinds of content you'd like to see in a package for kids or a package for families, please keep the suggestions coming.

If you were going to invest in a version of Logos for your family, what price point would make sense for you?

That would be great!  My wife and I share all of our Kindle books so this would be fantastic

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 12:09 AM

Elliot Swaim:
Here are a list of resources that I think would be helpful and used specifically by the Bible Bee but also things that any young child would be able to enjoy and understand:

Welcome to the forums, Elliot!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 12:52 AM

If Logos was to appeal to younger children, it would have to contain multimedia — animated videos of biblical stories, flythroughs of important biblical sites, etc. Something like illumina tried to do years ago, but obviously brought up to date. These videos are very dated now, but they'll give you the idea: 

https://www.youtube.com/user/iLuminaBible/videos 

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Liam & Abi Maguire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 1:32 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

As a father of four young children, two of whom use Logos on mobile devices occasionally, I've been thinking about products for children and families. We're exploring a few ideas and may start testing some in Q3.

We're considering group licensing of certain products to a Faithlife family group, so everyone in your family would be able to access the licenses on their own individual accounts. Not all content would qualify for a multi-user license, but some would—and more would over time.

If you have other recommendations on what kinds of content you'd like to see in a package for kids or a package for families, please keep the suggestions coming.

If you were going to invest in a version of Logos for your family, what price point would make sense for you?

As a dad myself, and a local church family worker I'd be very interested in helping to test this should the opportunity arise.

Check out my blog 'For Fathers'

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 5:40 AM

Really glad this thread has popped up and blossomed.  Much thanks to the OP, the many great suggestions from forum community, and to Phil G for stoking the flames!  I'd like to respond to some of the terrific suggestions, but, alas, will not get to it for a while, due to work (btw, I got the defunct Chaplain BP...)

Let me suggest a new option/perspective.  My children are in a homeschool program called "Classical Conversations." Following a "classical" model of education, the children learn Latin, logic, writing, etc.  I have often thought Logos would be well suited to partner with this program and tailor resources such as Latin primers, classical works, Latin interlinears, etc. that children would be using weekly in their studies.  There is a sizable "CC" community.  CC produces a lot of their own learning material and apps, but nothing like a powerful Bible/language program.  Since we're brainstorming, tho, I wanted to throw that thought out.

I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 6:00 AM

Friedrich:
Let me suggest a new option/perspective.  My children are in a homeschool program

Yes, my children are homeschooled as well and I agree with your suggestion. I see a market for Homeschool and I also see a market for learning God's Word.  The packages should be basic but with easy to find categories for additional material either for education or for studying God's Word.  The package should be more than the basic free version. 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 10:06 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
If you have other recommendations on what kinds of content you'd like to see in a package for kids or a package for families, please keep the suggestions coming.

At this point, all I ask is that your eventual offerings not neglect Catholic(Verbum) kids.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 10:21 AM

SineNomine:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
If you have other recommendations on what kinds of content you'd like to see in a package for kids or a package for families, please keep the suggestions coming.

At this point, all I ask is that your eventual offerings not neglect Catholic(Verbum) kids.

I could see a good market there, especially with homeschooling Catholic families.  of interest might be Latin (language learning and Bible study) and church fathers, catechism, etc.

I like Apples.  Especially Honeycrisp.

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 12:29 PM

Friedrich:
with homeschooling Catholic families.

I wonder if there's a market for Christian Schools, High Schools, etc. for their Bible classes? They follow a curriculum and have textbooks (I never attended a priveate Christians school, but my elementary age kids do and have memeory verses, bible instruction, and readers for their bible instruction class.)  

On a side note - some of you guys are blowing my mind on how you are training up your kids!! Time to step up my game!

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 1:08 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

As a father of four young children, two of whom use Logos on mobile devices occasionally, I've been thinking about products for children and families. We're exploring a few ideas and may start testing some in Q3.

We're considering group licensing of certain products to a Faithlife family group, so everyone in your family would be able to access the licenses on their own individual accounts. Not all content would qualify for a multi-user license, but some would—and more would over time.

If you have other recommendations on what kinds of content you'd like to see in a package for kids or a package for families, please keep the suggestions coming.

If you were going to invest in a version of Logos for your family, what price point would make sense for you?

Phil; please include me on this. I want a kid option so bad. Ultimatetly what makes th emost sense for me would be able to give my kids access to specific books in my library and have them have the ability to take their own notes etc. I want to teach my kids to read the Bible, study the Bible, and research deeply without giving them access to everything in my Logos...and I don't think that a child needs an entire Bible study library. I'm thinking something on the order $50 would make sense, but especially wiht a family-sharing license or opportunity for books. 

Please!

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2018 1:35 PM

While this isn't exactly what you've asked for, Phil, might there be a more colorful and graphic interface for children? Icons rather than lists of tools would be helpful for younger ones.

In addition, something like the home page tailored just for kids would be a great way to encourage them to explore Bible stories and other resources. Colorful, some videos, graphics, etc. is what I'm thinking.

A children's Bible Dictionary would be good, or a reworked Factbook for children. I'd think that Interactives of the right kind, and more timelines of people and events like those we have already in Infographics would be helpful.

Faithlife Assistant geared to younger people's resources would also be great.   

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Genghis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2018 3:56 PM

Hi Folks

Just for those who might be following this thread and trying to buy a few child-friendly resources, I've just found out that some of the eBook resources are unavailable to Logos Users if they are outside of the US.

Examples:

  1. https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/65160/heroes-of-babylon
  2. https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/65165/the-little-giver

They aren't labelled as such.  

HTH

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 26 2018 2:15 AM

I've suggested this before...Logos should make partnership with ThinkOrange

Probably the best Children/Youth ministry curriculum I know.

(nice pics, cool charts & graphics, simple explanations, easy for teachers, etc.)

.

I recommend try downloading their sample.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 29 2018 3:42 AM

Just a thought:

Clearly, “Children” needs to be defined here and be very specific. I hear Logos for “children” and I’m thinking 10 y.o. and under, another calls a 15 year old teenager “children,” and others mean children in the sense of sons and daughters. Your 20 y.o. “child” or daughter can use Logos as it is now, no need for changes.  On the other hand a six-year-old would need major changes on the interface and font of text, along with resources for a “child” his age. 

So, I know your 40 y.o. “Child” will always be your “child” along with your “children” that are already married and have their own children, but...get the point, right? Nobody is really being specific. Everybody is mixing their own definition of “children.”

Define children, because a 15 y.o. is not a “child” — again, ”he’s your child” alright, but he doesn’t fall into the category of a REAL child 🧒 👶🏼 

 With that in mind not only would you need Logos for “children” but also Logos for teenagers.

Be clear on the definition and that will get everybody on the same page and off to a specific start.

DAL

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