willing to pay for what I think might be called a letter query

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Karl Sarpalius | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Nov 30 2019 12:14 PM

Ok I'm 68 years old and am wanting to play a game with my grandkids.  I always use the ESV and am wondering if there's some kind of program out there where I could type in the following:

"Show me all the verses in the Bible with 45 letters... 38 letters... 56 letters... etc."

Is there any kind of software out there that can do this for me (in ESV)? And if not, does anyone know the proper terminology I should be using in order to pay someone to create it for me? Thanks.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 2:11 PM

I presume you would want letters and not to include spaces?  I have the Bible in database format which makes such queries easy.  I am not looking for the job, but suggesting this is easy to do.  

Not sure how to do it in Logos. maybe someone knows.

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Karl Sarpalius | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 3:01 PM

No, spaces would be ok.  In fact, I don't even have to have the actual verses.  I can go look those up but if they were already in a list that would be fine two.  But the spaces are fine as long as the 'count' doesn't include them in the formatting.  (The same would be true with commas, apostrophes, and periods.  I just want to know how many letters.

The fact that you know how to do this would at least help me know how to phrase this question online so as to find the right person to do it.  I began trying to phrase it and got nothing but programmers who want to create a website for me.  Nada.

Again, I'd be more than happy to pay you or whomever in the Logos community as I'd love to support someone in the faith.

Can you perhaps help me wordsmith the phraseology so I can ask the www for someone to do it?

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 4:41 PM

I know of no way in Logos to construct a search like that. That said, I have to ask why you would want to do a search like that. What would be the value of it?

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 5:31 PM

Fred Chapman:
What would be the value of it?

He already explained that. He wants to play a game with the grandkids.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 5:33 PM

Karl Sarpalius:
Is there any kind of software out there that can do this for me (in ESV)?

Not sure how exhaustive you are wanting, but MS Word will give you character counts if you copy and paste verses into Word. Beyond that, some kind of database (as already mentioned).

A lark, but have you tried googling it? Someone may have what you need posted on the web.

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Karl Sarpalius | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 5:37 PM

I realize there's work involved.  

I've been working on an ability to create a little word game to help my grand kids learn.  It's rather complicated to explain but either way, the need exists.  I don't know stuff about 'coding or programming or whatever this is,' but I understand the importance of paying someone for the work to create this (database?) and am not looking for a handout.

Perhaps $100? I just don't know.  Trying to be fair and responsible here.  But also paying $2,400 a month for a one bathroom apartment in the SF bay, and as an unemployed retired pastor I can't just throw a bunch of money out there.  I'm just trying...  Thanks

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Karl Sarpalius | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 5:50 PM

Trust me, I have been trying to google it but I think my terminology is hurting me in the process.  I do, however, have one person that has responded and I'm trying to see what happens there.

As far as the MS Word, there's actually an online service that let's me copy and paste it in and counts the letters.  Right now, I'm just slowly reading through and looking for verses with just a few letters (I'm trying to make little guessing puzzles with them.)

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 6:21 PM

In this post, I think, Rosie gives a couple of links that are close to what you are looking for. They are not from the ESV though. Maybe it is a start?

Rosie’s post: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/12196/95196.aspx#95196 

Edit: After reading your requirements again, it only list the number of words in the verses.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 30 2019 11:05 PM

Maybe consider public domain text like KJV.  Then a database version would be shareable.  

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Karl Sarpalius | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 1 2019 6:22 AM

Got my heart set on ESV.  The grandkids will get kinda hung up on understanding the KJV language.  

I'm guessing I'll just have to keep reading through each book and slowly counting letters.  I just figured with today's technology someone out there could make this happen.  Thank everyone for trying.  One last thing.  As I continue to search for someone online to do this, is a "letter query" the proper terminology?

Thanks again.  And if anyone knows someone who might be able to do this please let me know.

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Karl Sarpalius | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 1 2019 6:27 AM

Thanks for your help.  I'm pretty set on the ESV.  I'm guessing I'll just have to keep doing what I'm doing.  There are plans to hopefully create this little game into a puzzle that can be passed down through generations.  A puzzle that helps them learn.  Thanks to all who tried to help and if anyone comes across someone who might be able to create such a query for a few bucks, please let me know.  In my efforts to find someone online to do this I'm a little ignorant of the proper terminology.  Is a "letter query" the proper phrase? Thanks again.

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Here's a list of all the verses of the ESV, ordered by how many letters (A-Z) they contain.

2705.verses.csv

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2019 2:38 PM

Thx Bradley

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Karl Sarpalius | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2019 10:04 PM

Bradley... Thank you so so much.  Do you use Zelle? I'd like to pay you as soon as we hit the new year.  This is so very very helpful to me.

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No payment necessary.

(And I didn't do most of the work, anyway. We already have software libraries written over the years at Faithlife that (for example) enumerate the verses in a Bible, get the text of a verse, filter it to Bible text only, etc. The part I added was essentially just s/[^A-Za-z]//g -- strip out everything that's not an ASCII letter.)

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 4 2019 7:56 PM

For the stats geeks out there, here's a histogram of counts. 65 characters occurs in 377 verses, the mode of the distribution.

(The mean character count is 149.2 and the median is 147.5, both greatly influenced by positive outliers).

Geeked

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 4 2019 9:13 PM

Not a geek, but isn't that the distribution you'd expect, given verses are not sentences? Just reminded from a Logos resource on the ability of greek writers to clause their sentences to death (eg Eph 1, Col 1)!


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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 5 2019 11:35 AM

Denise:
isn't that the distribution you'd expect

Absolutely.

And given the older majiscule manuscripts have no punctuation, it might be hard to even define what a sentence is in those texts. :-)

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