OT Quotes in NT: My New Project

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 11 2011 10:23 AM

A number of recent threads about searching for the quotations in the New Testament of the Old Testament has prompted a new project for me. I am manually highlighting the quotations and setting up a framework to highlight allusions to the OT.

Here's my layout for the project thus far.

I started a new highlighting palette called "Intertextuality" This will allow me to toggle this view in the NA27. Quotations receive a color-coded underline plus a bubble tag with "short book abbreviation" in it. Pentateuch is brick red; Historical books Green; Poetry/Wisdom books are Purple; and Prophets are Dark Blue. After I highlight the quote I attach a note to the reference so I can have cross references whether or not a Bible is tagged with them.

Benefits?

  • When I am done I will be able to search just quotes from Psalms etc. The NA27 has a quoted material search field but it does not differentiate the sources of the quotes.
  • The line between a quotation and an allusion is a subjective one. This allows me to have a record of what I think the relationship is. If you notice I'm starting with all the instances in the OT quotes according to the HCSB. I've already found 3 instances that I don't think rise to the level of quotation, they've been dumped into my quotation/verbal parallelism note file.
  • Having the allusion framework set up will allow me to really track the influence of the OT on a passage drawing input from much more detailed work in journal articles and commentaries that isn't present in standard cross-reference schemes. 
  • I anticipate Logos having a highlighting report - being able to view all the text of what you've highlighted with a specific style; there should be some really neat things I can do with all of this highlighted in the future. You can already do something like this by using a Passage List to pull verses from what's highlighted.

Some observations

  • It would be great if Logos would do something like this. However, I'm glad for the opportunity to have the highlighting reflect the results of my studies.
  • Notes are slow! This process really bogs down on my laptop with integrated graphics. My desktop is better. I estimate that it will take about 10-20 hours to complete the project.

So what do you think? I just made it through Acts. Have I missed something? Is there something that you do that would be good for me to incorporate into this project?

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 10:31 AM

Nice icons!

Like you my laptop blogs down (and eventually crashes, due to temp files & i've cleared temp files several times). My laptop is probably slower than yours.

Great project for those with newer laptops!

Could you save your icon images in Old Test. icons similar to how i saved some?

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 10:35 AM

I didn't actually use Icons. I used the text tags with capsule option checked like this:

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 10:37 AM

Kevin Becker:
I didn't actually use Icons. I used the text tags with capsule option checked like this:

Nice!  Thanks!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 11:38 AM

Awesome! Now I can't wait until Logos lets us export and share our highlighting and notes with other users! I'll try to remember to come knocking on your door at that time.

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Kaye Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 12:13 PM

This is great!  Have I mentioned (lately) that I am very visual??

I agree that some of the HCSB quotes don't seem to be quotes to me.  I was noticing that yesterday.

I would LOVE the report of highlighted text.  Even if just for cleanup purposes.  I have changed how I mark over time and it would be nice to go back and fix up some of the earlier text.

Rosie, I agree.  Sharing some of the talents of this user group in the form of things like this would be a great blessing to many of us and I would think it would add to the selling points for Logos.  Imagine a study group that wants to share markup to all those who have Logos.  I'm starting an online Precept class Thursday and many of the women will have Logos but most are very unsure how to use it to help their study.  It would be great to give them my set of markup to get started.

I get the feeling right now that one person comes up with something cool and hundreds scurry off to try to do it, too.  :-)  Or is it just me??  :-D

Kaye

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 12:55 PM

Just a note if anyone wants to do a similar project. Turning off the note indicator box in the Bible and OT quotes resource sped things up significantly. My laptop had bogged down to the point of hanging up every 3 or so keystrokes in a note. With the boxes off I get virtually no hanging.

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Kaye Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 1:27 PM

Thanks for the tip.  Anything to speed things up...

K

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 1:28 PM

Kevin Becker:

Just a note if anyone wants to do a similar project. Turning off the note indicator box in the Bible and OT quotes resource sped things up significantly. My laptop had bogged down to the point of hanging up every 3 or so keystrokes in a note. With the boxes off I get virtually no hanging.

WOW!!!!!   Kevin.  If you turn off the visual filter box for the note file you are using and then add a note, it works like greased lightening!

How come no one noticed this before?

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 11 2011 1:36 PM

Maybe it is just me because now my notes are working fast whether or not the box is checked or not.  I guess others will have to test this to see if it speeds up note taking.

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 6:25 AM

Rosie Perera:

I'll try to remember to come knocking on your door at that time.

Rosie, I am not sure that you will be able to do that because of the long line at your door!!Big Smile

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 6:26 AM

Kevin Becker:
Here's my layout for the project thus far.

This is REALLY very cool.

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 7:25 AM

Dr. Charles A. Wootten:
This is REALLY very cool.

For me the most important part of this is the ability to highlight and reference allusions.  The book of Revelation for example has very few direct quotes, but dozens of scriptural allusions, which are actually a key to help understand the book.  I am glad Kevin shared his work!

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 8:24 AM

I'm done with my first pass through the text. Whenever I study a NT passage now I will be certain to update my highlighting. Here's a screen-shot with some particularly dense quotations and allusions from 1 Peter. It's pretty cool to see the interplay.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 8:46 AM

Wow great job Kevin. I too look forward to the day where this may be able to be shared if you are willing.  This is great work!

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Steven L. Spencer | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 11:35 AM

Kevin, what you are doing it totally awesome!  I hope that there will be a way that you can share this!  Keep up the great work! Yes

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 12:44 PM

Just a note to remind everyone that there are quote and allusion lists in the Bible Harmony section.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 12 2011 8:16 PM

Kevin Becker:
Whenever I study a NT passage now I will be certain to update my highlighting. Here's a screen-shot with some particularly dense quotations and allusions from 1 Peter. It's pretty cool to see the interplay.

Cool enough that you should ask Logos if they would be interested in distributing it.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 15 2011 10:17 AM

MJ. Smith:

Just a note to remind everyone that there are quote and allusion lists in the Bible Harmony section.

 

Just to be clear are you referring to the Parallel Passages section of the Passages Guide?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 15 2011 12:57 PM

Dominick Sela:
Just to be clear are you referring to the Parallel Passages section of the Passages Guide?

Yes, they appear there or you can open them directly from your library.

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