Biblical Languages - Greek

Larry Good said:

I am looking for some advice on making progress on Greek Language Studies.

I am currently studying the book Romans.

I have the Logos 4 Leaders Bundle.

I am willing to put in considerable time and money into making some progress on language front and will be studying from home.

I feel comfortable using the Logos Reverse interlinear and am using it currently to augment a commentary that references the Greek words and Grammer. I am getting some insight but want to proceed much further.

1. What books could you recommend?

2. What video tutorials could your reccomend?

3. What additional Logos ressources shoud I purchase to faciliate learning?

Thanks

 

Peace and every Blessing, Larry!                              *smile*               Your goals are very "Good!" indeed!

             Read your post, then looked up the Logos 4 Leaders Bundle.  Actually, I was pleasantly surprised as to how much Greek Language Study one could do with the Leaders Bundle.

                                 However, (and that "however" costs money)    .............    I think you have to move up one or two or even three bundles to do really good Greek Language Studies.              Just my humble opinion since I have a larger bundle that does everything I want it to; and I feel my studies would be hampered to just have the Leaders Bundle.

                Some of the specific items that other posters might want to offer here in this post  to you as an idea now are already included in the larger bundles.

                          Perhaps you can plan ahead -- at your own pace -- to upgrade your bundle.

http://www.logos.com/comparison

BTW - note that the videos are in PAL format. They'll play in any computer and international DVD players just fine, but not in North American DVD players (which require NTSC format).

Don't let this influence your decision, but do be aware.

Larry Good said:

Is there a forum to inquire if anyone has a used copy of the Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software?

 

Hi Larry,

1] These "Learn to Use ..." videos from Logos are ... great!!! You will be able to get alot more out of your Logos software. They are a great investment.

2] Having said that, there was quite a bit of discussion when this DVD series was in preparing. There was a point made that the videos are a fantastic supplement to Greek study. Meaning, Logos goes a long way, but there are gaps in the approach because their objective is different. Its' purpose is not to reinvent a product covering all the material from a traditional class in either Hebrew or Greek. You can learn much along the way about the languages and the grammar, but the goal is to teach you how to use Logos tools in your study of the languages (hence the name). Who can benefit from these DVD's? Everyone - no matter what their current level of proficiency. Will it help someone learn the languages? Yes. Will it be useful to someone who already has a good measure of proficiency? Yes.

But before you go and spend your money, consider this. At every upgrade level in Logos from the Leader's Library > Platinum, for every couple of hundred dollars you spend, Logos gives you many times more that amount in books. I know it is a hard decision. One that puts demands on you to prioritize your "want list". Maybe the question is: do I most need a larger number of language tools (commentaries, syntax graphs, etc)? If so, upgrade. OR: Do I want to specialize now? - getting just what I need to learn the language? In this case, perhaps you should focus on a smaller set of tools.

If you search the forum, there are some good sites (free) that have been suggested to help one learn Greek (or Hebrew). If those sites look like they do it for you, then maybe the Logos "Learn..." DVD's are what you need and / or an upgrade to a higher package. 

Richard said:

the DVD series of his class available here: http://daveblackonline.com/greek_dvds_now_available.htm .

Thank you for this info...I will be ordering asap!!!

NewbieMick said:

from the initiaI posting I took that Larry has the Leaders Package right now, which is a far cry from Silver or Gold, and he also lacks the funds to invest in the valuable but heavy-priced resources that have been suggested here in the thread. According to Logos Summary page, the Leaders Package contains Reverse Interlinears but virtually nothing else that helps with NT greek. The next step would then be to upgrade to Scholars package, since this contains nearly all resources from Leaders and Original Languages combined, which will provide for Greek NT Text and Greek/English Dictionaries as well as some good material towards word and syntax studies. Working with Logos Sales, the upgrade from Leaders to Scholars may be approximately somewhere around $250 (should be possible to see on http://www.logos.com/upgrade  or by calling them to get an even better price) 

I think we can safely say that Larry can make the same statement as Peter in Acts, "Siver and gold have I none ..."  [:)]  In looking through the comparison charts I was surprised at what was in the Leaders Package has in it when compared to the Original Languages Package which I originally had (Well, not quite originally.  Originally I started ordering a la carte then "upgraded" to the Original Languages Package).  Perhaps you might order the BDAG/HALOT bundle (http://www.logos.com/product/5228/bdag-halot-bundle) if you also intend to learn Hebrew.  It's cheaper to order the two together than separately.  Never short yourself on good lexica.  My standard quip regarding BDAG is that, if you don't have it, go sell your first-born child and buy it.  I don't know how good the materials for learning Greek are in Logos since I learned Greek long before I ever heard of Logos, but it does carry Davidson's Introductory Hebrew Grammar, which is an updated version of the book I used in learning Hebrew.  Looking through Futato's Beginning Biblical Hebrew, it seems to be quite well set up for the student to begin learning Hebrew even without an instructor.  You may not need much more than those items initially.

Since people are already mentioning sites outside of Logos, don't miss that there are several free Greek and Hebrew courses on iTunes[U ].

Also, I see that you are studying Romans. I wouldn't call that a text for a beginner. John's Greek is the easiest; Paul's and Luke's the most advanced.

U stands for University. It's the part of iTunes where universities, colleges, seminaries, institutes, museums and so on post courses, lectures, sermons and other stuff. Just type greek in the normal iTunes Store search box, and you should get results from all sections of iTunes. But make sure you're choosing a course in Biblical Greek, and not modern Greek. (Unfortunately you can't search for biblical greek; most of the seminaries just call their courses "elementary Greek", or something like that, so you won't get many results if you do.)