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Daniel Harper | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2019 2:17 PM

Thank you for the update.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 22 2019 6:22 AM

Floyd Johnson:

David Ames:

Apparently they no longer do.  My guess is that too many so called "husband and wife" were not just one man and one woman but many of both.

[[Yes, the terms of use have changed but I don't remember seeing a BIG notice of the change.]]

I am not sure the terms of use have changed (at least in this regard) - allowing a husband and wife to share an account (as long as the second spouse was not using it professionally) was an allowance that was made by FaithLife's president as a courtesy to users. it was never official policy.  If both husband and wife are both ministry professionals, they were expected to have separate accounts. I have seen nothing from FaithLife's leadership suggesting this has changed.

Daniel Harper:
Thank you for the update.

Daniel, I think you really need to concentrate on what the new Terms of Service is saying: that have been quoted & expressed by earlier posters. Floyd is not providing an "update" of anything, irrespective of what may have been "allowed" by Faithlife's President a number of years ago. The new terms are more draconian than the older terms because times have changed.

The term "User" is defined in point 1. Your account is for an an individual user (1a), as is the Logos software license (point 3). Your wife cannot be a user of your account/license (point 5), because Faithlife do not offer shared licenses, and they can "prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user.".

Suggestions have been made with regard to making your wife's account less expensive. Long before the Terms were updated, I had transferred some of my resources to my wife, and taken advantage of  free resources and a free library.

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nicholasnorman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 10:56 PM

Note [Edit]: This should of been a reply to the "kind" Post of Bob Pritchett. I just realised now in the latest Posts of this topic that the view of faithlife (?) has hardened into a money-making business. Even Microsoft, Google, Apple and others are now increasingly offering family accounts in which the apps are allowed to share... If wife and husband are using the same account on the same computer (so only one user is using the account and the library at this time), then I can not understand what this is all about except of money-making.. and that I find sad

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This is very kind, but then why this can't be written in the License Agreement? Affinity is a UK Software developer (not for a bible software, not for Gods Word, not as follower of Christ, just a pure making money business) for a really good photo software coming closer and closer to adobe Photoshop. They have in there License Agreement written following:

The Licence granted to you is limited, non-transferable and non-exclusive. Except to the extent any rights cannot be excluded by law, you are permitted:

(i) if you are a private individual, to download, install, use and run for personal use, one (1) copy of the Serif Software directly on each computer running Microsoft Windows (“Windows Computer”) that you personally own or control. Commercial use is permitted but only use by you and not by any other users of any Windows Computers that you own or control. For example, other members of your household that use your Windows Computers may make personal use of the Serif Software whereas, if anyone other than yourself needs to make commercial use of the Serif Software, the other user will need to make a separate purchase.

(ii) if you are a commercial enterprise ...

(iii) if you are an educational institution, to download, install, use and run, one (1) copy of the Serif Software for use either: (a) by a single individual on each of the Windows Computer(s) that they use that you own or control, or (b) by multiple individuals on a single shared Windows Computer that you own or control. For example, a single student may use the Serif Software on both the student's desktop Windows Computer and laptop Windows Computer, or multiple students may serially use the Serif Software on a single Windows Computer located at a resource centre or library.

(iii) ...(Logos) if you are a church-member, staff etc. ...

Sincerely Nicholas Norman

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 10 2019 1:53 PM

nicholasnorman:
This is very kind, but then why this can't be written in the License Agreement?

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Praying for Godly wisdom as Faithlife creates & implements Christian Home base packages (perhaps in 2019 for License Agreement modification) => https://faithlife.com/posts/1829276 (while being cognizant that Logos & Verbum apps & applications have been designed with single user focus so suspect every group-licensed user should have their own installation for personalization, reading progress, ...)

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 11 2019 8:13 AM

nicholasnorman:
This is very kind, but then why this can't be written in the License Agreement?

Faithlife can put whatever terms it wants to into its licensing agreements with its customers for its own products, within the bounds of law. However, most of the products FL sells do not belong to FL per se--they are licensed (primarily) from publishers, like Baker, CUA Press, IVP, Zondervan, etc. The terms of those licensing agreements are not dictated by FL, which has to negotiate with these publishers as partners. Some publishers probably do not want to allow for group licensing, whether in general or at least on terms acceptable to FL. Remember that those agreements dictate everything from royalty percentages to when, under what circumstances, and to what extent FL can discount outside entities' products.

I expect that FL's "Home" offerings will, at least initially, rely heavily on in-house products and products licensed from a relatively small group of publishers. In time, such offerings will, I hope, grow.

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Matt Gubala | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 13 2020 10:22 AM

here is an excerpt from an employee i received back in 2012.  hope it helps Steve Workman <steve.workman@logos.com> To:mattgubala@yahoo.com Oct 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Matt,

 

Thank you for contacting us with your concern.  Our end user license is a single user license.  A husband and wife are considered one user, as long as they do not use it for two different businesses. 

 

Since the license are all in one account, you will both need to have the same user id and password.  It is still one Logos 4 program.  Any notes, highlights, prayer lists, etc that one of you will create, will sync and be visible in the others program.  If you want all of this separate, you will each need to purchase your own program.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 13 2020 12:22 PM

Matt Gubala:

here is an excerpt from an employee i received back in 2012.  hope it helps Steve Workman <steve.workman@logos.com> To:mattgubala@yahoo.com Oct 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Please go back and read the last two posts by Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) about the changes of Faithlife Corporation revised/consolidated licensing terms on 15 Mar 2019

Yes, the reply you got back in 2012 allowed husband and wife to use the same account but that use was to be under the radar.

They no longer allow that.  Each human user of a Faithlife Corporation product must have their own licence and library.  No sharing!

[[It will be interesting if this holds up in the EU as one poster asked: you spend thousands of 'coins' out of family funds and other members can not use it??]]

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 13 2020 1:05 PM

Well, we're in decade #2 of the discussion.  This thread was during Libby's final days, and far-outlived her (except at my house, of course).

I thought the Jan 2020 update was interesting. All those little trackers from FL advertisers are FL-Privacy-Policy free. I thought that was funny, after reading 3-4 pages of boilerplate (though California addresses don't get shared).

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Victor Chebech | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 10:48 AM

What about users who have a church office desktop, home desktop & a laptop for trips?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 1:39 PM

Victor Chebech:

What about users who have a church office desktop, home desktop & a laptop for trips?

The license is single user ... on as many devices as they use.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 3:35 PM

Victor Chebech:

What about users who have a church office desktop, home desktop & a laptop for trips?

Who owns the desktop & laptop devices ? Who can use the desktop & laptop device(s) when you're not there ?

Faithlife Terms of Service => https://faithlife.com/terms (updated on 3/15/2019) includes Logos Bible Software (LBS)

5. Rights and Access Privileges for LBS Licenses.

LBS Licenses may ONLY be used on devices owned by the licensee in whose name the LBS License is registered. Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only, even where the LBS License is registered in the name of an institution such as a church. We reserve the right to monitor use of the Services subject to LBS Licenses to detect, prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, or library licenses.

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