Hebrew Bible search, including vowel pointing

Wyn Laidig
Wyn Laidig Member Posts: 401 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I am trying to search the Hebrew Scripture for מֵאֵת.  I just want to search for the manuscript form and not the lemmas.  But when I enter this word in the search box, it seems to return all verses with this consonant pattern, including ones with other vowel pointings.  What am I doing wrong?

מֵאֵת
mē·ʾēṯ
מן · את
from · with
from · (with)
PM · PW

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,152

    Try searching (in Morph Search) with:-

    מֵאֵת  WITHIN 0 chars  @P

    i.e. find the form that is tagged as a preposition

    Dave
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  • Wyn Laidig
    Wyn Laidig Member Posts: 401 ✭✭

    Dave,

    That helps.  Strange, however, that I basically get 3 results for each verse, one for the manuscript form, and 1 for each of the two associated Lemmas:

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    ALSO, I am still puzzled why this is necessary.  Is this a bug in Logos?  It seems that if I perform a search of a Hebrew word that includes vowels, I should just get only what I am searching for, and not words with other vowel patterns as well.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ALSO, I am still puzzled why this is necessary.  Is this a bug in Logos?  It seems that if I perform a search of a Hebrew word that includes vowels, I should just get only what I am searching for, and not words with other vowel patterns as well.

    Logos has never been able to do vowel pointing sensitive searches in Hebrew. It's been a problem for a while. I'm not sure if anyone has formally brought it up as a request in the Suggestions forum or UserVoice (don't think so), but there was no Logos employee response on this old thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8571.aspx

  • Room4more
    Room4more Member Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭

    Hmmm……Maybe try this[you are searching for a word that has a prep; I.E. hundred(100) + (something else):

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,152

    That helps.  Strange, however, that I basically get 3 results for each verse, one for the manuscript form, and 1 for each of the two associated Lemmas:

    Depending on the resource (!) you would get 2x results for a search like this - one for the word and one for the morphology. Because two morphologies are associated with the word you get 3x results. It's a bug I've tried to get Logos to eradicate because we are searching for ONE word with particular attributes whereas מֵאֵת WITHIN 2 words @P is searching for multiple words.

     

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Room4more
    Room4more Member Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭

    Yuppers I would have to agree, yet he could change his k-board to the 'He' and type in the part he wants to search for, and break it down, depends on what he is after[or me'yah, may-yaw'; probably a primitive numeral; a hundred; also as a multiplicative and a fraction :- hundred ([-fold], -th), + sixscore] :

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