Unreleased Stuff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349062#Comment_349062

Hey thanks for the heads up Bob.

Always looking forward to what the techies will bring us.

Thanks again

Jerry M

you could lose data!

What can you tell those who have already been trying it? What kind of data could they lose? Should they be looking for a problem?

Bob Pritchett

What kind of data could they lose? Should they be looking for a problem?

I've consulted the team, and data loss may not happen. What would be at risk would be anything added specifically inside the new features some people were playing with today -- nothing that would affect your existing Logos data.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349103#Comment_349103

Please don't try it until you get the announcement, or you could lose data!

Which are these?

JT (alabama24)

Which are these?

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement. [;)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349106#Comment_349106

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

I wounder why it should be secret? What is the disadvantage? Is that in order to surprise us?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349106#Comment_349106

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

I wounder why it should be secret ,is that in order to surprise us?

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349118#Comment_349118

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

I wounder why it should be secret ,is that in order to surprise us?

Surprise IS part of it Tes. Additionally in situations like this there may be some arrangements with other people that need to be protected.

In this case I think it's more about a desire to unveil the whole shiny item all at once, rather than just one corner at a time.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349118#Comment_349118

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

I wounder why it should be secret ,is that in order to surprise us?

Yes, it's because it raises more excitement if people get to see it all finished, rather than leaking partial truths about it before they know what the whole thing is going to look like. Also, if users begin to see parts of it that are accidentally released and it isn't fully functional, they might have negative reactions to it.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349134#Comment_349134

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

I wounder why it should be secret ,is that in order to surprise us?

Yes, it's because it raises more excitement if people get to see it all finished, rather than leaking partial truths about it before they know what the whole thing is going to look like. Also, if users begin to see parts of it that are accidentally released and it isn't fully functional, they might have negative reactions to it.

I think you may have got the reason for the overall "secrecy" - however, I think Logos orchestrates the "leaking" of small tidbits in order to generate anticipation. Dan twittered about it. It features prominently as "the secret floor" in the tour. There's a new tab in biblia.com. There's a website. There are threads on the forum that reveal some of the news and Logos lets them run for some time and then hides them, so people start asking about it.

Actually, three users tested some of the new functionality yesterday (call it a sort of "pre-beta") and provided infos for Logos regarding usage, bugs etc. Nothing big, but the threads where this was discussed - including some screenshots and a user-made video - ran for several hours until they were pulled. I hope it helps the developers to put the last finishing touches on the new thing.

Thus, I'd rather rephrase your concluding remark: Users begin to see parts of it that Logos releases temporarily, get a glimpse of the new functionality and become eager to try it for themselves - this helps building momentum and it also bridges the time between when the users would like to see the new thing and when it actually gets released. I personally like what I have seen so far, and it allows for new things many of us wanted to do but couldn't accomplish yet.

Edwin Bowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349157#Comment_349157

I stumbled upon the "secret" project and got charged $29.95 when I tried to get the free subscription. It's now in my Logos library

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349160#Comment_349160

I stumbled upon the "secret" project and got charged $29.95 when I tried to get the free subscription. It's now in my Logos library

There was a not-so secret coupon code for the free subscription (which didn't work for me in the coupon code field, but in the "get the free subscription" field). Maybe Customer Service can take the product back and you can re-subscribe for free.

The associated resource is really cool - don't you agree?

Mike W

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349118#Comment_349118

I wounder why it should be secret ,is that in order to surprise us?

It may also be that they want to make sure initial users have a positive experience. If this "surprise" is what I think it is then at least one part that is available early (probably due to arrangements that needed to be made with a large computer company) has recieved several terrible reviews by users not familiar with Logos software.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349106#Comment_349106

Which are these?

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

You need to pass it before you know what's in it. [:P] The problem here is that you're not supposed to use it yet, but what is it you're not supposed to use?

Alexander

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349238#Comment_349238

Which are these?

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

You need to pass it before you know what's in it. The problem here is that you're not supposed to use it yet, but what is it you're not supposed to use?

What could we use that we should not be using so we don't use what we should use. Right?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349240#Comment_349240

Which are these?

It's supposed to be a secret… you'll just have to wait for the announcement.

You need to pass it before you know what's in it. The problem here is that you're not supposed to use it yet, but what is it you're not supposed to use?

What could we use that we should not be using so we don't use what we should use. Right?

Ummm, the possible harmony of using what was not supposed to be used that got used, that wasn’t ready to be used but was unintentionally used anyway. But still was used…….

Jerry M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349242#Comment_349242

I thought it was new, and now everyone is saying it is used!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349291#Comment_349291

Me clicker-finger needs taped......

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349294#Comment_349294

"Please don't try it until you get the announcement, or you could lose data!" I think this statement increases more fuel for curiosity than warning.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349346#Comment_349346

"Please don't try it until you get the announcement, or you could lose data!" I think this statement increases more fuel for curiosity than warning.

It could be intentionally meant to arouse curiosity. Or it could be merely designed to cover their bases, so that nobody gets angry at Logos if they do lose some data after trying an unreleased product. Either way, I think they've now closed the holes so people who hadn't already downloaded it can't see it, and the ones who've seen it already feel so special they wouldn't want to share their secret with others who haven't seen it yet. [:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349371#Comment_349371

It could be intentionally meant to arouse curiosity. Or it could be merely designed to cover their bases, so that nobody gets angry at Logos if they do lose some data after trying an unreleased product. Either way, I think they've now closed the holes so people who hadn't already downloaded it can't see it, and the ones who've seen it already feel so special they wouldn't want to share their secret with others who haven't seen it yet.

Well sorta [;)] …it was rather intriguing and interesting…[:P]

[Y][Y][:#]

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349376#Comment_349376

Yeah!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349371#Comment_349371

"Please don't try it until you get the announcement, or you could lose data!" I think this statement increases more fuel for curiosity than warning.

It could be intentionally meant to arouse curiosity. Or it could be merely designed to cover their bases, so that nobody gets angry at Logos if they do lose some data after trying an unreleased product. Either way, I think they've now closed the holes so people who hadn't already downloaded it can't see it, and the ones who've seen it already feel so special they wouldn't want to share their secret with others who haven't seen it yet.

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark. Why would something which is not yet ready for prime time and which is potentially hazardous to data security be available for use?

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349387#Comment_349387

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark. Why would something which is not yet ready for prime time and which is potentially hazardous to data security be available for use?

Read Bob's clarification. It's not hazardous to data security. It's only if people try to enter data in new features that aren't ready yet--that data could be cleared.

And I believe the availability was an accident.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349387#Comment_349387

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark. [...]

I thought it was Jewrsie[Jersey- for non-slangers]...?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349392#Comment_349392

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark. Why would something which is not yet ready for prime time and which is potentially hazardous to data security be available for use?

Read Bob's clarification. It's not hazardous to data security. It's only if people try to enter data in new features that aren't ready yet--that data could be cleared.

And I believe the availability was an accident.

Also, Bob posted a status update on Facebook today: "My goal in our conversation was to NOT call attention to FSB yet, even though parts were visible in iTunes, etc." I think they weren't expecting the app to be available so soon in iTunes, but they don't have control over that. They have to submit it to Apple in advance to let it go through their vetting process, and then Apple puts it up for sale as soon as they're ready to. Logos can't tell them to release it on a specific day. So there's some inevitable leakage while they finish putting the other pieces of the thing together for an announcement and public release. I think there was an "oopsie" on the website (something about a coupon? I missed that) which they blocked as soon as they found out about it. And they've been deleting forum threads that they find which give away too much detail about what's in this thing that we're not supposed to be talking about yet.

So I think we should just remain in this state of anticipatory suspense and enjoy it while it lasts. There will be surely some disappointment when we start finding bugs in the new thing, whatever it is. [:#][:)]

I thought it was Jewrsie[Jersey- for non-slangers]...?

I thought it was pronounced "Joyzie"

Jerry M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349405#Comment_349405

in the new thing, whatever it is

"and the ones who've seen it already feel so special"

I suspect you feel special! (I feel like a kid who snuck into their parents closet and saw their Christmas gifts early.)

My daughter, who was informed of these things at a young age by older brothers, innocently referred to the man in the red suit as Santa Closet.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349405#Comment_349405

I thought it was Jewrsie[Jersey- for non-slangers]...?

I thought it was pronounced "Joyzie"

rrriiiiggghhhttt!!! I was trying to think of the ebonics and could not remember the placement of the rolling 'r' ...thanks.

Kilroy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349405#Comment_349405

There will be surely some disappointment when we start finding bugs in the new thing

[N] I ain't got no bugs in my thang. [N]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349409#Comment_349409

(I feel like a kid who snuck into their parents closet and saw their Christmas gifts early.)

I remember doing that -- unwrapping at least one of my Christmas gifts that my parents had hidden behind the big chair in my Dad's study. When they found out I'd done it (kinda obvious; kids can't rewrap as neatly as Santa did), I wasn't allowed to have those presents for some time after Christmas. Now if I were to say anything more about what I might or might not know about this secret, I wouldn't be allowed to use it for a month after it ships. [;)]

My daughter, who was informed of these things at a young age by older brothers, innocently referred to the man in the red suit as Santa Closet.

Hee hee!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349412#Comment_349412

I thought it was Jewrsie[Jersey- for non-slangers]...?

I thought it was pronounced "Joyzie"

rrriiiiggghhhttt!!! I was trying to think of the ebonics and could not remember the placement of the rolling 'r' ...thanks.

It reminds me of the one NJ joke I know:

"You from Joyzie?"

"Yup. You too?"

"Yup. What exit?"

(everything in Joyzie is located by what exit it's near on the NJ Turnpike).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349418#Comment_349418

I thought it was Jewrsie[Jersey- for non-slangers]...?

I thought it was pronounced "Joyzie"

rrriiiiggghhhttt!!! I was trying to think of the ebonics and could not remember the placement of the rolling 'r' ...thanks.

It reminds me of the one NJ joke I know:

"You from Joyzie?"

"Yup. You too?"

"Yup. What exit?"

(everything in Joyzie is located by what exit it's near on the NJ Turnpike).

thurdy thurd n thurd

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349409#Comment_349409

My daughter, who was informed of these things at a young age by older brothers, innocently referred to the man in the red suit as Santa Closet.

And here I referred to him as Uncle Doc.[:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349426#Comment_349426

Thanks George! [*-)] [:O]

This went downhill fast....so what was that about Denmark? [:D]

Bob Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349405#Comment_349405

Also, Bob posted a status update on Facebook today:

Sigh... that was a reply to a direct message tweet that I accidentally sent public. I deleted it 3 seconds later, but forgot Facebook gets copies of my tweets instantly.

It's getting very hard to "not call attention" to things when even my Facebook friends (cough, cough... <smile>) are re-posting status updates that themselves say I'm trying not to call attention to the subject...

:-)

You're forcing my hand. We'll go public as soon as we can, but it's going to be "beta"...

David Carter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349501#Comment_349501

Sigh... that was a reply to a direct message tweet that I accidentally sent public

You should run for congress [:D][:D][:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349501#Comment_349501

Also, Bob posted a status update on Facebook today:

Sigh... that was a reply to a direct message tweet that I accidentally sent public. I deleted it 3 seconds later, but forgot Facebook gets copies of my tweets instantly.

It's getting very hard to "not call attention" to things when even my Facebook friends (cough, cough... <smile>) are re-posting status updates that themselves say I'm trying not to call attention to the subject...

:-)

You're forcing my hand. We'll go public as soon as we can, but it's going to be "beta"...

Sorry. [:$]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349501#Comment_349501

Yo Bob!.

since you stopped by. why not give us a good laugh on

Laughter_is_WHAT?

Thanks

Alexander

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349501#Comment_349501

Also, Bob posted a status update on Facebook today:

Sigh... that was a reply to a direct message tweet that I accidentally sent public. I deleted it 3 seconds later, but forgot Facebook gets copies of my tweets instantly.

It's getting very hard to "not call attention" to things when even my Facebook friends (cough, cough... <smile>) are re-posting status updates that themselves say I'm trying not to call attention to the subject...

:-)

You're forcing my hand. We'll go public as soon as we can, but it's going to be "beta"...

It must be Providence Bob! Even your Facebook account points to God saying, let my features go!

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349501#Comment_349501

Also, Bob posted a status update on Facebook today:

Sigh... that was a reply to a direct message tweet that I accidentally sent public. I deleted it 3 seconds later, but forgot Facebook gets copies of my tweets instantly.

It's getting very hard to "not call attention" to things when even my Facebook friends (cough, cough... <smile>) are re-posting status updates that themselves say I'm trying not to call attention to the subject...

:-)

You're forcing my hand. We'll go public as soon as we can, but it's going to be "beta"...

Oops

Robert M. Warren

I may be dooming this thread to deletion, but there is now a FaithLife beta forum: http://community.logos.com/forums/101.aspx

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349441#Comment_349441

Thanks George!

This went downhill fast....so what was that about Denmark?

[Exeunt Ghost and Hamlet.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349506#Comment_349506

Sigh... that was a reply to a direct message tweet that I accidentally sent public

You should run for congress

Nah—I'd rather refer to him as "Bob" rather than "Hot Dog." [:#]

David Beard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349523#Comment_349523

It must be Providence Bob! Even your Facebook account points to God saying, let my features go!

[:D]

Bob Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349550#Comment_349550

I may be dooming this thread to deletion, but there is now a FaithLife beta forum: http://community.logos.com/forums/101.aspx

We're giving up. :-) You can check it out -- though it's a beta release!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349588#Comment_349588

We're giving up. :-) You can check it out -- though it's a beta release!

Ah ! So that's the big secret. I'm in, but I haven't done anything with it yet.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/349418#Comment_349418

(everything in Joyzie is located by what exit it's near on the NJ Turnpike).

Hey! Or the Garden State Parkway. Can't get to the Joizie shore from up north widout that.