4.5c Beta 2 (4.53.0.2084) available

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 23 2012 3:48 PM | Locked

4.5c Beta 2 (4.53.0.2084) is available for testing.

 

To update to Beta 2, enter the Update Now command if you’ve switched to the beta channel before, or enter the Set Update Channel to Beta command if you’re on a stable version (such as 4.5b SR-1). To install Beta 2 from scratch, see the notes and download link on this thread.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 4:08 PM | Locked

Ann Boyles:

 4.5c Beta 2 (4.53.0.2084) is available for testing.

 To update to Beta 2, enter the Update Now command if you’ve switched to the beta channel before, or enter the Set Update Channel to Beta command if you’re on a stable version (such as 4.5b SR-1). To install Beta 2 from scratch, see the notes and download link on this thread.

Release Notes 

Hi Ann, In the release notes, it states

Release Notes:
Program Settings • Added application setting for “Include Deuterocanonical Books.”
My question is what Deuterocanonical Books are included? Different faith traditions within Christianity use different deuterocanonical books.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 4:23 PM | Locked

tom collinge:
My question is what Deuterocanonical Books are included? Different faith traditions within Christianity use different deuterocanonical books.

I said something similar in the other thread. But, Tom, will we never learn? At least Logos knows there are 2 canons. Shall we break the news to them re: Judaism?

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 23 2012 4:41 PM | Locked

tom collinge:

My question is what Deuterocanonical Books are included? Different faith traditions within Christianity use different deuterocanonical books.

All of them.

As noted in the popup help for that setting, this only affects Bible Facts tools (e.g., Biblical People) when data (from deuterocanonical books) is available.

No such data is currently available, so this setting has no effect. However, we anticipate adding this data in a future update to those resources (I don't have an estimate on the timeframe); this would possibly coincide with a reverse interlinearisation of the NRSV Apocrypha (see http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/514417-create-a-reverse-interlinear-for-nrsv-deuterocanon).

If and when we have sufficient data from different traditions of deuterocanonical books (a big "if"), this setting may be made more fine-grained.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2012 6:52 PM | Locked

Bradley Grainger (Logos):

tom collinge:

My question is what Deuterocanonical Books are included? Different faith traditions within Christianity use different deuterocanonical books.

All of them.

As noted in the popup help for that setting, this only affects Bible Facts tools (e.g., Biblical People) when data (from deuterocanonical books) is available.

No such data is currently available, so this setting has no effect. However, we anticipate adding this data in a future update to those resources (I don't have an estimate on the timeframe);

Appreciate Logos is working on this, I respect different faith groups will have different takes on what is included but I'm happy with a one size fits all list for the times I want to dig into this stuff.  But one day would be great if there options for the various faith groups in addition to a show all.  Till then...thank you.

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 30 2012 8:56 AM | Locked

Andrew Mckenzie:
I respect different faith groups will have different takes on what is included but I'm happy with a one size fits all list for the times I want to dig into this stuff.  But one day would be great if there options for the various faith groups in addition to a show all.

What I don't understand is why these tools have to be called Biblical people/places/things (leading to canon discussions)? What does it matter if the place I want to research is mentioned in Joshua, Tobit or a book on Babylonian religion? What does it matter if the relationships I want a clearer picture of are between kings of Israel, Maccabean fighters or the rabbis in the Talmud? We've got the basic tools. Instead of limiting them, expand them. Change the names and make them useful for all books!

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 30 2012 3:50 PM | Locked

fgh:

Change the names and make them useful for all books!

Changing the names would be easy. Making them useful for all books is the hard part. There is an enormous amount of data tagging that goes into powering these tools (which is why they don't currently show any information from Tobit, etc.--that work simply hasn't been done yet). For example, how many Marys or Johns are there in the Bible? When you see the name "Mary" in the text, to which person does it actually refer? How many distinct women are actually mentioned or named in John 19:25? How many people are there in the Bible who aren't explicitly named at all? (These are just examples of some of the questions that need to be answered to create this data.)

The good news is that creating the data to expand Biblical People/Places/Things beyond the Protestant canon is in process. The bad news is that it takes time, and isn't ready to ship yet. And, unfortunately, correctly tagging every "Mary" in every resource in the library isn't going to happen any time soon (as cool as it would be for that data to exist, especially when studying an obscure person with a common name).

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