I would like to join in acknowledging the wonderful progress by Logos in getting the software more appealing to Catholics every day; as well as the wonderful work being carried out by Andrew and others getting involved on a grass roots level (example faithlife) as well as on other levels at the same time. It must be very hard work indeed (but I can imagine it to be fun and rewarding).
There is still a lot more to be done of course. MJ's post is an excellent example of where the Verbum software itself can be enhanced to sort of make it more functional for Catholics (as well as Orthodox and other traditions)
At the same time I also have to agree with Fr. Charles on most points. But here's the catch: at play is a situation much like a chicken - egg scenario. Which comes first: a lot of Catholic customers or a totally polished and completed Catholic bible study software?
A proven market is needed to justify increasing the investments to be made on the part of Logos into the Verbum brand. The more the software is appealing to Catholics the more Catholic customers will be inclined to seriously consider investing in Logos. But at the same time, without proven results (i.e. actual number of Catholic customers increasing) there's less incentive on the part of Logos to invest time and effort into Verbum.
Hence the aggressive marketing. But care should be taken so as not to promise too much otherwise it would certainly backfire. Nothing worse than a bad word of mouth to ruin any blooming business.
Fortunately, I see Logos has got a lot to offer in and of itself to Catholics even without being too Catholic (hope that makes some sense) so much so that I would honestly recommend it to as many Catholics as I can even in its current state i.e. lack of Catholic vocabulary or crippled utilization of the lectionary types.
Andrew Jones: Monroe R Miller: I too, would like to see Sacra Pagina and Berit Olam They are top priorities.
Monroe R Miller: I too, would like to see Sacra Pagina and Berit Olam
I too, would like to see Sacra Pagina and Berit Olam
They are top priorities.
Excellent points Sleiman.
Thanks MJ. You are always very helpful.
Just be glad when things that are important catholic/ancient etc. terms, words, topics are usable search/results etc. criteria.
Blessings all.
As Catholics, we often fail to understand how our perspective of Bible study has some fundamental differences from the Evangelical perspective. It becomes harder when our "professional converts" retain strong elements of their Protestant roots. However, the Catholic perspective also applies to the Orthodox, Anglican and many Lutheran and mainstream Protestants. In many ways we have more in common with Jewish interpretation than with the Logos base. I did not really understand this until I became active in the Logos forums. a partial list of differences:
Now before everyone starts yelling at me, many of these assumptions are also applicable to groups outside those named. Not everyone inside the groups named will agree will my list ... others will add and subtract, reword and qualify my points. Many of those will be improvements on my wording or will emphasize a different aspect than I did. The point is that a truly "Catholic" product must:
Luckily, the feature that are necessary to be truly "Catholic" are also features that are useful to all Logos users. I truly believe that a mature Logos 5/Verbum product need differ only in a few defaults. Users can adjust their use of the features to reflect their understanding of scripture study.
Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."
How about the New Jerome Biblical Commentary?
It would be useful if the priorities could be set so that we did not have to re prioritize everything when we switch between Verbum and Logos. Yes, when we first start Verbum it will carry over the Logos priorities already set. But after that the priorities we set in Verbum or in Logos should not sync across. For Logos I want KJV, ESV. In Verbum I want DR, NABRE.
The Liturgy of the Hours in Latin, together with any of the official English translations (there are three of them, so hopefully at least one will give permission!).
Yes. That too.
R+
Rich+
Just did a GOOGLE on both sets – One word response ‘WOW’
Both sets go for $30 to $50 per volume
Sacra Pagina: About 18 volumes – set goes for $500 in paperback $700 in hard copy [what will be the Verbum price $150 or so?]
Berit Olam: did not find a listing for the whole set but is about 13 volumes [what will be the Verbum price $120 or so?]
And Yes, they should be in any complete catholic library