The Lutheran Movement in England - Jacobs

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I remember the first time I attended worship at an Episcopal Church.  I was shocked that the worship service was nearly identical to what I was used to as a Lutheran.  What's up with that?

I was hardly the first to observe the relationship, and yet often this was ignored as well.

Over a hundred years ago, the Lutheran Theologian and Historian, Henry Jacobs, studied early Lutheran Texts in English and found that there was quite a bit more than he expected.  The discovery turned into a set of articles in a church periodical and eventually this book - a study of the largely Lutheran roots of the English reformation during Henry VIII and Edward VI.

Of course, it is more nuanced that this.  Henry VIII had, at best, a love-hate relationship with the Lutherans who were more no more interested than the Pope in giving the annulment he wanted, and many of those who returned from the Continent after Mary died had more sympathy with Geneva than Wittenberg.  But, IMHO, he shows that there was quite a Lutheran influence on Tyndale and Cramner, among others which has remained in not only in the 39 Articles (where probably most will admit a heavy Lutheran influence) but also on the Book of Common Prayer.

Probably the most significant research in this book is giving evidence for the influence of Lutheran Church Orders on the Book of Common Prayer, the extent of which is still highly debated.  Part of the difficulty is that even now, those German church orders are often obscure.  I think that Jacobs makes an impressive case that those Lutheran orders were a significant source.

Main source for this edition was http://archive.org/details/lutheranmovement00jacouoft. I have tried to tag reference to the 39 articles and the Book of Concord.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 6:12 AM

Peace, Ken!           Wow!              I'm so pleased to have this and will be sending the .docx file to my Pastor sometime today for him to appreciate and enjoy also after compiling it into a PB!

                            Well-Done!              What a brilliant asset you are to these Logos Forums!

                                  I've had several professors who pointed out to me what is the "gist" of this book -- however, they also pointed out that when it comes to "liturgy" in English in the various Lutheran hymnals, that the Lutherans "borrowed back" some of the English translations and verbiage from the Anglicans and Protestant Episcopals ......

                 I think that may well be the case!     *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 7:12 AM

Yes, the liturgical texts of the Book of Common Prayer of the ECUSA are public domain by their canon law, and so that is where many of our english texts come from.  Sometimes we will acknowledge the source...

I understand that this book has been surpassed by Neelak Tjernagel's study on Henry VIII and the Lutherans, and Carl Meyer's study of the Elizabethian Settlement, but those are still under copyright.  And all such studies that show the mutual influence in the 16th century don't deal with the massive changes that have happened since.  We Lutherans have grown to appreciate the the meaning of quia subscription as it has helped us remain grounded in confessing the faith delivered up to the saints to countless ages.  Anglicans have grown to appreciate how the worship forms them, and to recognize the stability of the episcopal structure...

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 7:29 AM

Thanks again, Ken!                 Really appreciate this offering as I've said before.

              I had the honour of C.S. Meyer as my Professor at Concordia Lutheran Seminary in St. Louis in 1958 or 59 or 60 ...   can't quite remember the year     *smile*  I remember him well!

                          Now, I wish I had "listened harder"!!!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 6:54 PM

Blessings, Ken!              *smile*              My final communique to you re. this PB!

                 Incredible!        Am really grateful!                  The book is even better than I thought it would be, much better indeed!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Since I created the original book I have added a few links to Tyndale as well as the Original Letters that just came out in a Logos edition and figured you might want the update.Big Smile

SDG,

Ken McGuire

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 4 2014 5:33 AM

Peace, Ken!              *smile*                              Thank you very kindly for your "caring" and "sharing"!               .... just downloaded the document with great appreciation ..........                    May God Bless you richly in your personal life ..........            AND            in your life in His Holy Church!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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