Updated Bible Version (UPDV) Evaluation

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jun 13 2013 5:23 PM

Does anyone have experience working with The Updated Bible Version (UPVD)? http://www.updated.org/

I don't really know much about it but I am interested in hearing some evaluations.

As a note of interest the translator, Greg Abrams, has made one post on the forums last fall - http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58592/417603.aspx

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 21 2013 3:01 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Does anyone have experience working with The Updated Bible Version (UPVD)? http://www.updated.org/

I don't really know much about it but I am interested in hearing some evaluations.

As a note of interest the translator, Greg Abrams, has made one post on the forums last fall - http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58592/417603.aspx

Anyone who removes the book of Acts from the Bible is idiosyncratic at best.

http://www.updated.org/acts.shtml

There are a bunch of other idiosyncrasies as well: a re-constructed Matthew, re-ordering of the books, placing the NT before the OT, etc.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 21 2013 9:33 PM

elnwood:

Bruce Dunning:

Does anyone have experience working with The Updated Bible Version (UPVD)? http://www.updated.org/

I don't really know much about it but I am interested in hearing some evaluations.

As a note of interest the translator, Greg Abrams, has made one post on the forums last fall - http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58592/417603.aspx

Anyone who removes the book of Acts from the Bible is idiosyncratic at best.

http://www.updated.org/acts.shtml

There are a bunch of other idiosyncrasies as well: a re-constructed Matthew, re-ordering of the books, placing the NT before the OT, etc.



Ick!

/dislike/

Other than knowing the weird things the people at your church might be subjected too, is there any good reason to spend money on this?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 22 2013 6:15 AM

Let me clarify that I have no illusions that this version would be my next study Bible. I was quite aware that this is a very liberal version but for my purposes I think that it is good to be aware of it and compare it to other versions in the same way that I have texts of other religions in my library. What I am looking for is whether anyone has actually used it themselves and was hoping for some specific areas of evaluation/criticism.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 23 2013 5:55 AM

Peace, Bruce!          *smile*

                   Thanks for your post!                         This is all new "stuff" to me, and I look forward to more information in an area about which I know absolutely nothing.               However, I do try to keep abreast of what's going on and commend you for your enquiry!     I'll be "tracking" this post.

                                       Personal greetings and Blessings to you and your loved ones!             *smile*

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 23 2013 3:20 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Let me clarify that I have no illusions that this version would be my next study Bible. I was quite aware that this is a very liberal version but for my purposes I think that it is good to be aware of it and compare it to other versions in the same way that I have texts of other religions in my library. What I am looking for is whether anyone has actually used it themselves and was hoping for some specific areas of evaluation/criticism.

Texts of other religions in your library are useful because people actually read, believe, and follow them. I'm not sure if an obscure, idiosyncratic, self-published Bible translation that no one reads has any use at all, unless you were doing apologetics with the translator. Maybe if he had some specialized expertise, but I can't find any information on his background that would make his translation salient in any way.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 23 2013 5:55 PM

elnwood:
I'm not sure if an obscure, idiosyncratic, self-published Bible translation that no one reads has any use at all,

Actually it can have. I have one that was given me to review that is interesting because many believe the fallacy regarding translation that it represents.  It is useful to show people why their theory does not work - one can rarely get them to see the flaw in the theory but they can see it in the practice. Well, the translator never saw the problem but ...

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 5:27 AM

MJ. Smith:

elnwood:
I'm not sure if an obscure, idiosyncratic, self-published Bible translation that no one reads has any use at all,

Actually it can have. I have one that was given me to review that is interesting because many believe the fallacy regarding translation that it represents.  It is useful to show people why their theory does not work - one can rarely get them to see the flaw in the theory but they can see it in the practice. Well, the translator never saw the problem but ...

Well-put M.J. I would be interested in hearing your specific evaluation whenever you get around to it. I am especially interested in how you would show in practice that their theory doesn't work.

On another note we must be very careful when dealing with any resource but especially resources like this.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 7:24 AM

MJ. Smith:

elnwood:
I'm not sure if an obscure, idiosyncratic, self-published Bible translation that no one reads has any use at all,

Actually it can have. I have one that was given me to review that is interesting because many believe the fallacy regarding translation that it represents.  It is useful to show people why their theory does not work - one can rarely get them to see the flaw in the theory but they can see it in the practice. Well, the translator never saw the problem but ...

@M.J.  I'm really curious. What was the issue that was revealed in the translation that was handed to you for review? You don't have to let me in on any identifying details. I'm interested in the issue that was involved, not the version.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 7:26 AM

Bruce Dunning:
As a note of interest the translator

I would call him an editor more than a translator. His reasoning for jettisoning the book of Acts seems contrived. I understand the benefit of being aware of his efforts but I certainly would not spend any money to have this one in Logos.

On another note; I find it interesting he kept the Western designations of the Old Testament history books. If we are going to start correcting things shouldn't we revert to the original?  

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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 10:07 AM

MJ. Smith:

elnwood:
I'm not sure if an obscure, idiosyncratic, self-published Bible translation that no one reads has any use at all,

Actually it can have. I have one that was given me to review that is interesting because many believe the fallacy regarding translation that it represents.  It is useful to show people why their theory does not work - one can rarely get them to see the flaw in the theory but they can see it in the practice. Well, the translator never saw the problem but ...

MJ, what fallacy regarding translation are you referring to?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 12:11 PM

In this particular case:

  • to get the correct connotations words that share a root in Greek must be translated into words in English that share a root
  • Hebrew didn't have time to exhibit any changes in language during the period the OT was written

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 1:24 PM

MJ. Smith:

In this particular case:

  • to get the correct connotations words that share a root in Greek must be translated into words in English that share a root
  • Hebrew didn't have time to exhibit any changes in language during the period the OT was written

Thanks M.J. This is helpful to know this. Where did you get this information?

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 2:54 PM

MJ. Smith:

In this particular case:

  • to get the correct connotations words that share a root in Greek must be translated into words in English that share a root
  • Hebrew didn't have time to exhibit any changes in language during the period the OT was written

Thanks, M.J.

Fascinating.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 5:46 PM

Bruce Dunning:
Where did you get this information?

From communications with the translator in the process of reviewing the translation.. Note that I have carefully not named the translation although my review of it is public. My feeling when I pan something is that it's best to leave it as something potential customers find ... there is no reason to advertize the existence of a bad book.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 24 2013 6:43 PM

MJ. Smith:

My feeling when I pan something is that it's best to leave it as something potential customers find ... there is no reason to advertize the existence of a bad book.

That's not how I would do a review. If I hit a bad one, I let it out. I think to be reticent about it may bias the review in favour of a work without merit. One of my favourite reviews was a deserved one-liner: "Utter cr*p."

Anyway... dynamite! Wink

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 25 2013 4:15 AM

MJ. Smith:

Bruce Dunning:
Where did you get this information?

From communications with the translator in the process of reviewing the translation.. Note that I have carefully not named the translation although my review of it is public. My feeling when I pan something is that it's best to leave it as something potential customers find ... there is no reason to advertize the existence of a bad book.

Well said! Thanks for clarifying.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 25 2013 6:03 AM

Lee:

One of my favourite reviews was a deserved one-liner: "Utter cr*p."

<clarify> That review in question was one that I read, famously written by a reviewer about a certain chess book. Nothing I wrote, and nothing about a book with religious content. </clarify>

Zip it!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 25 2013 2:16 PM

Lee:

That's not how I would do a review.

I prefer to say what I mean plainly in the review ... but not advertise the existence of the book to those who don't run into it through other means.

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