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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2013 4:56 AM

What has happened to the library filters? I remember the filtering working a few months ago just like on the desktop -syntax like "Edition:Logos && -Publisher:Perseus" applied a filter to not show the Perseus collection but display everything else. Now it seems all one can do is enter title and/or author words. Has the full support for filtering been deliberately removed?

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Fred J. Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 4:25 AM

Please.. has this been answered... ?

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 4:53 AM

I have not seen on my android a chance to filter other than recent, author, title, rating.

I really would like to filter in other ways...

1.  It would be VERY helpful to see my favorites menu

2.  It would be VERY helpful to filter via my collections

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Drew Hannay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 8:06 AM

Randy Lane:

What has happened to the library filters? I remember the filtering working a few months ago just like on the desktop -syntax like "Edition:Logos && -Publisher:Perseus" applied a filter to not show the Perseus collection but display everything else. Now it seems all one can do is enter title and/or author words. Has the full support for filtering been deliberately removed?

As far as I know, nothing has changed in regards to filtering support. I don't think it ever worked quite how you're describing though. Here's what we do support:

You can use one of the following filters in the library search field to filter your results:

local:
title:
author:
subject:
type:
abbrev:
epubdate:
pubdate:
publisher:
series:
lang:
rating:
mytag:

(actually, there IS something new...support for "rating:" and "mytag:" was added relatively recently) When entering one of these filters, you should see an autocomplete drop down in the library search field, so you don't have to type out the entire filter name. We currently don't support stringing multiple filters together, but using any one of those alone should work.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 8:28 AM

Drew

I have Samsung Galaxy 3 Phone Android 4.1.2.  When I access my library, there is a box that says FIND and next to it a box that says SORT BY RECENT.  If I access the box that says SORT BY RECENT, there is a drop down menu that give me other ways to sort the Library (Title, Author, Rating, Recent).  There are no other choices.

Is filtering shone in a different place?

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 8:32 AM

I think I see how it works now.

Would it be possible to make these filters a drop down list?

Would it be possible to add our favorites as a category?

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Drew Hannay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 8:41 AM

Mark:

I think I see how it works now.

Yes, you have to type the filters into the search field. The "Title", "Author", "Rating" and "Recent" dropdowns are options for how to sort your library, rather than filtering it.

Mark:

Would it be possible to make these filters a drop down list?

Unfortunately, as of right now, there are no plans to put these in a dropdown list. This feature attempts to mirror the Desktop program, which also requires you to type in the filters.

Mark:

Would it be possible to add our favorites as a category?

I would guess that this is unlikely simply because you can already get to your favorites from the "Favorites" section of the app. I may be misunderstanding what you're requesting though.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 9:02 AM

Okay.  I remember now how to access Favorites. Just forgot how to do it.

Thanks for your responses

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Drew Hannay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 9:03 AM

Mark:

Okay.  I remember now how to access Favorites. Just forgot how to do it.

Thanks for your responses

Glad I could help! Smile

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 8:42 PM

Drew Hannay:

Mark:

Would it be possible to make these filters a drop down list?

Unfortunately, as of right now, there are no plans to put these in a dropdown list. This feature attempts to mirror the Desktop program, which also requires you to type in the filters.

I love keyboards. I love keyboard shortcuts. I love editors like emacs and vi that let you do amazing things with a few quick keystrokes without ever having to fumble for the clumsy mouse.   ... on a PC.

That paradigm doesn't satisfy on phone or tablet. There keyboards and typed out commands are clumsy and awkward. Menus, controls, gestures are much much quicker and faster.

I understand it would take a bit of reworking of the interface to fit it in, but please reconsider this at some point.

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Fred J. Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 9:03 PM

Drew thanks for the reply.

I guess I am not making myself clear as to my problem with my Library.

Drew, Go to any Library Public or Private and you will find the Books in Sections as to Topic then arranged by Authors.. Of course they use The "Dewey" system.  In this way when you go to the Religion Section you do not fine Civil War, American History or Even General Philosophy.

This does not seem the case in LOGOS (A Library Program as I remember the description) When you go to MY LIBRARY SHELF you find you will find all my RELIGION WORKS ... You will ALSO find the "Perseus" Collection, Plato, Aristotle, Greek Classics, Latin Classics and other works.....  ALL IN THE SAME "Self Section" namely The LOGOS Library.

So after this explanation, does LOGOS LIBRARY SOFTWARE actually allow categorizing selves so we DO NOT have to SEARCH the ENTIRE LIBRARY but SPECIFIC Shelves.. Such as RELIGION   or   PERSEUS COLLECTION????

Certainly a Library program has this capability, Search Westerns, Search SciFi..... yes some of my Android E-Book Apps can do this.

Thanks again for the help. If you can offer a way to keep these collection in LOGOS... great.... if not, please tell me how to remove "Perseus Collection"  THANKS.

Jeff

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Drew Hannay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 11:29 PM

Fred J. Morgan:

Drew, Go to any Library Public or Private and you will find the Books in Sections as to Topic then arranged by Authors.. Of course they use The "Dewey" system.  In this way when you go to the Religion Section you do not fine Civil War, American History or Even General Philosophy.

This does not seem the case in LOGOS (A Library Program as I remember the description) When you go to MY LIBRARY SHELF you find you will find all my RELIGION WORKS ... You will ALSO find the "Perseus" Collection, Plato, Aristotle, Greek Classics, Latin Classics and other works.....  ALL IN THE SAME "Self Section" namely The LOGOS Library.

So after this explanation, does LOGOS LIBRARY SOFTWARE actually allow categorizing selves so we DO NOT have to SEARCH the ENTIRE LIBRARY but SPECIFIC Shelves.. Such as RELIGION   or   PERSEUS COLLECTION????

Certainly a Library program has this capability, Search Westerns, Search SciFi..... yes some of my Android E-Book Apps can do this.

Thanks again for the help. If you can offer a way to keep these collection in LOGOS... great.... if not, please tell me how to remove "Perseus Collection"  THANKS.

Jeff,

I'm not sure we have exactly what you're asking for. If you look at your resources in Logos Desktop, you'll see that many of them include "tags" that categorize the resource similar (I think) to what you're asking for. You can also create your own tags by clicking the "add tag" button and typing the tag you want to use. If you select multiple resources, you can add the same tag to all of them at once.

Unfortunately, (and I'm not sure why this is, I'll have to check) the Android and iOS apps only support filtering by the tags you enter yourself, not the default tags you see in the Desktop program. If you want to filter your library by a specific category, you'll need to add a tag to the resources you want in Logos Desktop.

Hopefully that helps you solve your issue.

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Fred J. Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 21 2013 5:03 AM

I don't know!  Seems that a Library Program would have a way to Presort books  in a manner that you are searching  through and looking through only books in the genre... i.e. Religious Books.

Again, seems my bookshelf is full of books out of category...  I am listing all books regardless to classification....  I would like to have a way to command LOGOS to "Work in Religious Books" and only religious books are showing.  Guess this is too much to expect?  Maybe my idea of how a library Library shoud work is wrong is wrong.  --- In this way only my Religious books will show...... Hey, wish their was a way to have to "Start-Ups"of LOGOS... One with my Religion Collection, one with my Perseus Collection....

??????--  SO, How do I remove the Perseus Library???  ?????

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 21 2013 6:36 AM

Fred J. Morgan:
 I would like to have a way to command LOGOS to "Work in Religious Books" and only religious books are showing.

You can do this - but it requires some work.

If you tag your resources - this needs to be done on the desktop - with the classifications you require then you can filter using the "mytag:xxx" filter in the library. This is the best option that I am aware of in the Android app today

Fred J. Morgan:
??????--  SO, How do I remove the Perseus Library???  ?????

Two options:

  1. If you want to totally remove it so you no longer have any access to it at all you can contact Logos Customer Services and they will remove it for you
  2. If you want the option of going back to them in the future you can hide them - again this is something you need to do on the desktop - and this will mean they no longer appear in your library

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Fred J. Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 21 2013 7:42 AM

Thank you Graham...

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 21 2013 6:23 PM

Fred does have a point.  As Logos Library continues to grow, it would be nice to have some distinct categories pre-set.  I would use the  Perseus collection much more often if it were not mixed into my library of other books.  If I could have a category of Loeb classics or Language Resources or American History or Greek Philosophers etc, it would be helpful.

I understand the tagging.  But to go through a Library of 8000 resources to tag them all is not practical. 

I vigorously add new resources and old resources to categories I make up in Favorites.  I like that I can see these categories on a tablet and find things I am looking for in my library.  But I know that I am missing many books in those categories that are in my library.  It would take too much time and is nearly impossible to categorize or tag them all.  I realize Logos does a lot of tagging.  But I do not have a master key of all the tags they use.

I guess this all boils down to a wish to see some more thought put into the way we or the program is able to organize an ever growing library in a system of various categories and efficiency and to be able to find resources even when you are not sure what you are looking for...sort of like browsing a library bookshelf.  You know you are in the area of books you are interested in, and browse through the shelf until you find what you are looking for or what may help in your studies or research.

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Derek | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 30 2013 5:18 AM

Was just about to post a new thread about this topic.  I have hundreds of books.  I would love to browse commentaries, or Bibles, or other resources.  The library organization is totally lacking for android.  What about Dewi decimal? There is a reason libraries are organized.

Think about if you went into the local library and all the encyclopedias were mixed in with history and fiction and everything else, which was all in alphabetical order.  The librarian would be fired. Yet that's what we have.  I got some secular resources, hundreds of them, and I have to sift through them to find my study tools.  It's ridiculous! 

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 7 2013 2:41 PM

Is there a NOT operator, such as exists with "!" on the Windows desktop?

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