Monthly update of MJ Smith's Creeds files

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 31 2013 6:39 PM

This is the first official release of the creed files from L3. In L3 I released new batches weekly which worked well for the L3 naming and linking system. For L5, I'm aiming at monthly releases.

What you can do to help/influence sequence creeds are added:

  • inform me of typos, missing or incorrect information on the completed entries (arrows show where I think I am)
  • help by building entries for me to integrate especially for non-English entries
  • help by making PB's out of commentaries on the creeds that I run across
  • find the appropriate Logos links for creeds / denominations with Logos information
  • ask for a particular group to be given priority
  • identifying creeds that are duplicates or very close to each other

What to remember:

  • not all L3 creeds have been transferred into this file ... it is one path I am working on
  • the current file has Greek, Latin, Polish, French, Portuguese and Korean so be careful in your fonts
  • a number of creeds that are currently under a particular organization will be moved into the general document section as the file develops
  • the automatic index in Word does not appear in the Logos PB - I am using it for my own quality control ... feel free to remove it
  • the work list of organizations/denominations is not yet completely built ... when it is, I'll be asking for additions

*** File deleted after 3 years to appease poster in forum thread ***

The file has approximately 170 entries of which about 20 are fully edited.

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Happy New Year.

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 31 2013 7:02 PM

Thanks for your work!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 1 2014 7:59 AM

Very nice MJ. It will be interesting to see this develop.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 13 2014 10:23 AM

forum glitch double post when I tried to edit... for some reason I can edit this, but not delete... Hope this doesn't make a third post.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 13 2014 10:23 AM

For the SBC we have a number of creedal/confessional type statements.

the Second London Confession (1689) (and here as edited and renamed by C.H. Spurgeon)
The Philadelphia Confession of Faith (1742)
The New Hampshire Declaration of Faith
(1833) (if you're calvinist. NOTE: this was the standard until the BF&M was written, and virtually a pre-requisite for churches to join the SBC in America)
Treatise on the Faith of the Freewill Baptists (1834) (if you were not calvinist)
Abstract of Principles (1858) (first officially adopted by the convention)

These were later fused (though with the New Hampshire declaration of faith being the primary basis) into The Baptist Faith and Message,

Current "position" statements from the SBC.

We also hold to the Chicago statement on inerrancy, and the Chicago statement on Biblical hermeneutics.

There are something like 240+ creeds that we have held to across history, written about in this book: Dr. H. Leon McBeth, is titled A Sourcebook for Baptist Heritage, Broadman & Holman 1990 (which is in the Logos catalog, though I don't have it)

Another Helpful title is: Christian Doctrine for Everyman: An Introduction to Baptist Beliefs by Millikin - though this is not yet in Logos.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 13 2014 12:51 PM

Thank you for the references especially the McBeth.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 13 2014 1:47 PM

Thanks for all your work, MJ!                                   Peace!                  *smile*

                  I just came across some of your files from L3 on my hard drive.  Guess I don't need to save them forever, eh???!!!

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 13 2014 2:14 PM

logosres:creedschr3;ref=CanonsOfDort.Canons_V,_2.9;off=363437 -> New Hampshire confession of Faith in logos (first the description, then further down the actual confession).

logosres:creedschr3;ref=CanonsOfDort.Canons_V,_2.9;off=353237 -> Philidelphia confession (aka Baptist confession of 1688). This is a slight modification of the Westminster confession of 1647, with influences from the Savoy declaration of 1658

logosres:creedschr3;ref=CanonsOfDort.Canons_V,_2.9;off=373008 -> Free will baptists.

... Unfortunately thats all I've got for baptist confessions in Logos. Happy to be of help :) Looking forward to seeing the SBC in your tome :)

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 15 2014 8:48 AM

MJ

This is a great idea and I am thrilled you are putting so much work into it.  

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 15 2014 1:29 PM

Milford Charles Murray:
Guess I don't need to save them forever, eh???!!!

Nope - but I'm still working to get them all in. And the articles about the creeds are not yet envisioned to be redone in this project.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 31 2014 8:08 PM

I apologize that many links will fail on this month's version. Things done this month:

  • file split into 4 segments as I was finding that a single file did not scale in terms of ease of entry. This required a change in linkage strategy which is not yet completely reworked.
  • the creeds file of creeds used by a number of groups, I worked on only sporadically with the emphasis on the early creeds.
  • the catechism file had little added to it
  • the "denominations" file had the most effort put into it including some reformatting as well as adding a significant number of entries - I was concentrating on entries that were most apt to find problems with my procedures for finding and adding entries and building a broad base of entries.
  • the index section now has a complete list of my initial work list - yes I know there are many duplications and omissions ... they'll work themselves out over time
  • I didn't quite get to Southern Baptists but I'll fold them in this coming month
  • I still haven't gotten everything that was in L3 files converted over

8787.CreedPt1Creeds.docx

5852.CreedPt2Catechisms.docx

1121.CreedPt3aDenominations.docx

*** File deleted after 3 years to appease poster in forum thread ***

5381.CreedPt4Indices.docx

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 1 2014 9:14 AM

I tried to work them in, but my computer doesn't like that .docx. Its not a struggling weakling... 8 cores at 4.1ghz, 32gb of ram, ssd... Yet it was so slow to edit on my machine that it became unusable. Perhaps these will be more easily worked with.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 10:33 AM

Just checking back in on this project :)Thanks for the hard work MJ

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 12:24 PM

Not forgotten - merely sidetracked by a family issue regarding an 8 year old and adjusting to Logos growth in this area.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 30 2014 1:20 PM

Peace, Martha!                        Of all things!     We certainly understand and appreciate your updating us!

    *smile*            I was just looking at some of your creeds and other various contributions on my almost never-used Logos 3.0g installation on Monday, appreciating the work you did for the Logos Community a number of years ago,  ....     I think I described it as potpourri back then ....     Looked at my PBB's there also while I was in Logos3  and realised that I have almost all my L3 "stuff" over to my L5 installation now.                  A good feeling!

                    I was grateful and thinking good things, MJ!    And we all know that you do what you can do  ...       for Him - for His Church - for us!

Thank you again for updating us!                         We are all busy, but there is an answer for our busyness, eh?!        *smile*  This answer is according to Wikipedia--so beware it may not be factual                      ..........      and .........    it may not apply to you!

                  "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do." — John Wayne in Hondo

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 1 2014 8:15 AM

Indeed thank you  Martha :)

Also you  may find this of interest.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 18 2015 1:41 PM

This is a great resource. Thanks MJ.

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m wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 16 2017 9:23 AM

Hi MJ,

Can I ask you a big favor? Can you please remove our ministry from the 8863.creeds.docx? It is very old and contains some seriously wrong information about our ministry that keeps showing up on Google searches. The ministry initials are YHM and it is listed as located in Woodland Hills. 

Very grateful for your help!

M

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m wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 16 2017 9:29 AM

My apologies for any inconvenience, but I also see it listed in the 5381.CreedPt4Indices.docx and 2671.CreedPt3bzDenominations.docx and would greatly appreciate it if you could take us out of these also.

Thanks!

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 18 2017 4:01 PM

The forum software and my privileges do not allow me to modify existing uploads - I can only delete, modify locally, and reupload under a new name i.e. the automatically assigned numeric prefix. Philosophically, the request is problematic as these are point-in-time files not dynamic files. The only intellectually honest solution is to remove these files and in personal copies use a source from the wayback machine. I am willing to do this but want to have a very carefully worded explanation of why the file was deleted to put in place at the same time. When I have the correct wording I will take care of it.

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