Anyone using Scrivener for Sermons?

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 18 2014 6:49 PM

I don't know these forums well enough to know where to put this one, but I was just curious if anyone is using Scrivener (whether in conjunction with Logos or not) for sermon prep? I saw this older post/thread here.

I just started using it and love it. It's already simplified and streamlined my sermon writing process. Curious if others use, what your best practices are, how you integrate it with Logos, etc.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 6:53 PM

I haven't used it yet, but I just picked it up on sale in the Mac App Store. 

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 6:59 PM

Ah, yes, it was just (still is) 50% off. Good decision!

Eager to hear others' thoughts (and yours, alabama24, once you start using it). I know I have a tendency to geek out over good software (maybe more than is necessary), but this feels like everything a writing program should be. I'm wishing I had known about it sooner!

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 18 2014 7:01 PM

I use the UBS4; GNT; and Lexham resources in Greek- can't speak to Scrievner- but when dealing with textual issues its best to address all the text- use of skills is important- keep notes and keep records through notes in Logos or whatever program you use to track your learning- remember the Bible is God's revelation not our interpretation- its work and prayer , consulting the Author, not our personal preference.   

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 7:50 AM

I use Scrivener in research and writing. Linking urls from your Logos resources is helpful. Also, connecting a mind map program has been useful to see the thought process.

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 10:24 AM

In addition, Scrivener would be perfect for creating PBs. Though I have not done it, Scrivener allows you to lay out the individual chapters and headings as well as converts to doc files.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 10:36 AM

Kent:

In addition, Scrivener would be perfect for creating PBs. Though I have not done it, Scrivener allows you to lay out the individual chapters and headings as well as converts to doc files.

it would need to convert to .docx files, not .doc!

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 11:31 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:

I use the UBS4; GNT; and Lexham resources in Greek- can't speak to Scrievner- but when dealing with textual issues its best to address all the text- use of skills is important- keep notes and keep records through notes in Logos or whatever program you use to track your learning- remember the Bible is God's revelation not our interpretation- its work and prayer , consulting the Author, not our personal preference.   

I think you may be confusing this stuff with this.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 11:49 AM

David Paul:
I think you may be confusing this stuff with this.

Good catch. Yes

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 5:02 PM

Scrivener is a writer's word processor and as has been pointed out, it's currently on sale in the Mac App Store.  However, I like and use Word for writing my sermons since it has the ability through its services menu to pull in Scripture direct from Logos.  For me that's fast and convenient whenever I need to quote Scripture.  I'm not sure if Scrivener has that capability.

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 19 2014 5:07 PM

Kent, thanks for writing. Charles, I don't use automation enough to know, but I'm fairly sure Scrivener would be able to hand that.

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Tony Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 9:12 PM

Scrivener is a brilliant tool for outlining, writing and even publishing documents. Think of it as a document coder and compiler.  I love it!

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 20 2014 9:21 PM

+1 to that. Literally just turned in a paper within the last hour--which I had organized and outlined and written in Scrivener.

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 21 2014 4:12 AM

I noticed that it has a "household" license and you can download both the Windows and Mac versions if you had a "mixed" household.

Question: Is it possible to purchase an App at the App store even if you do not own a Mac and then use the license to install it on Windows? This would save almost $18!

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 21 2014 7:56 AM

Yes, I think the App Store only gets you a Mac license, but it's possible they have some sort of option to accommodate you--if I were you, I'd contact them and ask directly, to see what they can do.

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I love Scrivener. I use it for personal writing as well as my French Logos Blog (fr.logos.com). It is amazing. I especially how it handles footnotes with Logos. My only critique is that they have been working on an iOS app for sometime and I can't move to it from iWork, Office, or Evernote because they do not sync very well.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 21 2014 2:47 PM

Keith Larson:
Is it possible to purchase an App at the App store even if you do not own a Mac and then use the license to install it on Windows? This would save almost $18!

...OR, you could view that as saving $18 towards purchasing YOUR VERY FIRST MAC!!! W00T! (I jest) Big Smile

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Duane & Lavinia Manuel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 7:20 AM

I just tried developing a message in Scrivener for the first time and thoroughly liked it.  I decided to use Scrivener for a number of reasons:

  1. I noticed that most of my messages have a general format (Similar style of intro, conclusion etc). I wanted turn this into a template. For this last message I specifically chose to deliver a deductive message to keep things simple.
  2. Since I was writing a deductive message it can get very boring without illustrations.  So I wanted to layout a high percentage for illustrations and mini applications throughout the message. 
  3. I wanted to be able to track the word counts for each point. I struggle with my messages being front-heavy and my last point is very short.
  4. I wanted set word count limits on each section so I could fit my messages in my church's 35 minute time slot. 
  5. As I am developing a better rhythm for preaching I wanted to stagger my work so that 6-week's out I would work on  sketching out the big picture, 3 weeks out work on the exposition, 2 weeks out the illustrations, 1 week out finalizing the transitions and small stuff. I was able to set markers using the meta-data.  
  6. I wanted to generate a preaching outline based on my synopsis that mirrored my manuscript.
  7. There were other reasons too. 

I was able to accomplish what I wanted.  I feel like I developed a message that was faithful to the text and received well by the audience. 


The only cautions that I have is that it will take a while to get the formatting correct.  What makes Scrivener powerful is what will slow you down in the beginning.  It is designed more for writing long manuscripts, books, dissertations etc.  Making a good "compile" setting so you can print it will take a while.  I spent as much time fiddling around with Scrivener as I did writing my sermon. So I would work on this as a side project to distant sermon and not this Sunday's message. 


However in the end I am really pleased with the template and compile settings one for a manuscript and one for an outline. 

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 8:27 AM

I bought it to see if it would help in working on Logos Personal Books.  So far I like Word better.  But that is not a final judgment.

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Jim Erwin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 29 2014 8:33 AM

Apple Pages 5.2.2. won't let me copy and paste footnotes. Does Scrivener do a better job of this? 

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