Anyone using Scrivener for Sermons?
I don't know these forums well enough to know where to put this one, but I was just curious if anyone is using Scrivener (whether in conjunction with Logos or not) for sermon prep? I saw this older post/thread here.
I just started using it and love it. It's already simplified and streamlined my sermon writing process. Curious if others use, what your best practices are, how you integrate it with Logos, etc.
Abram K-J: Pastor, Writer, Freelance Editor
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- I noticed that most of my messages have a general format (Similar style of intro, conclusion etc). I wanted turn this into a template. For this last message I specifically chose to deliver a deductive message to keep things simple.
- Since I was writing a deductive message it can get very boring without illustrations. So I wanted to layout a high percentage for illustrations and mini applications throughout the message.
- I wanted to be able to track the word counts for each point. I struggle with my messages being front-heavy and my last point is very short.
- I wanted set word count limits on each section so I could fit my messages in my church's 35 minute time slot.
- As I am developing a better rhythm for preaching I wanted to stagger my work so that 6-week's out I would work on sketching out the big picture, 3 weeks out work on the exposition, 2 weeks out the illustrations, 1 week out finalizing the transitions and small stuff. I was able to set markers using the meta-data.
- I wanted to generate a preaching outline based on my synopsis that mirrored my manuscript.
- There were other reasons too.
Scrivener is a writer's word processor and as has been pointed out, it's currently on sale in the Mac App Store. However, I like and use Word for writing my sermons since it has the ability through its services menu to pull in Scripture direct from Logos. For me that's fast and convenient whenever I need to quote Scripture. I'm not sure if Scrivener has that capability.
In Christ,
Charles
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Kent, thanks for writing. Charles, I don't use automation enough to know, but I'm fairly sure Scrivener would be able to hand that.
Abram K-J: Pastor, Writer, Freelance Editor
Blog: Words on the Word
+1 to that. Literally just turned in a paper within the last hour--which I had organized and outlined and written in Scrivener.
Abram K-J: Pastor, Writer, Freelance Editor
Blog: Words on the Word
I just tried developing a message in Scrivener for the first time and thoroughly liked it. I decided to use Scrivener for a number of reasons:
I was able to accomplish what I wanted. I feel like I developed a message that was faithful to the text and received well by the audience.
The only cautions that I have is that it will take a while to get the formatting correct. What makes Scrivener powerful is what will slow you down in the beginning. It is designed more for writing long manuscripts, books, dissertations etc. Making a good "compile" setting so you can print it will take a while. I spent as much time fiddling around with Scrivener as I did writing my sermon. So I would work on this as a side project to distant sermon and not this Sunday's message.
However in the end I am really pleased with the template and compile settings one for a manuscript and one for an outline.
I am using Scrivener for writing longish reports (c. 6000 words) of academic conferences, where I do a lot of editing and précising of notes, abstracts and scanned handouts. It's quite good for that.
However, for writing academic papers I use Mellel which is brilliant for multi-lingual sentences, especially in Hebrew or Aramaic.
For preaching I use a mind-mapping program, MindNode Pro.
I use Pages 4.9 for orders of service and general word-processing.
Every blessing
Alan
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Apple Pages 5.2.2. won't let me copy and paste footnotes. Does Scrivener do a better job of this?
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I've been using scrivener for all my Christian writing including the book on Revelation. I use the hyperlinks extensively in my exegetical research before writing the book itself and the chapters. Because I'm dealing with the word of God accuracy and being in the Spirit is extremely important coupled with Logos and Scrivener its an unbeatable team to assist in that. The note taking module for Logos is unpredictable some features work others don't depending on the recent updates. Programmers can't find all the problems, since logos is quite complex in what its doing. Scrivener is easy in copying and pasting original text Greek or Hebrew is easy between the two programs.
I use a lot outside resources, text, rtf, word, pdf, jpg as well as videos and am able to pull those into scrivener create a hyperlink just click on the link when I want to display the text. When I'm done exegeting the passage with all of its research then I write the chapter, which then can be compiled to a book or even a script. My research notes are not part of the compile but available at anytime in the source document.
Where I find the problem mostly is going from scrivener or Online Bible with my notes of the last 40 some years. Logos is not very flexible in regards to that area, its gotten better but they haven't done much work in importing routines for other systems. After three years of using Logos with a very extensive library I still can't hyperlink in the note area successfully.
I could if I was doing sermons use scrivener as overheads with the hyperliinks with popups while teaching. Just to summarize I would use Logos for the research, utilizing the documents, guides, and tools while using scrivener to document all the research and the final product. Logos is a wonderful research tool but it has a way to go on the final output products, its notes and personal books. I'm still trying to import 500 theology doctrines I've researched in the last forty years into Logos its very time consuming. Hope this helps. The two program are excellent when combined together!
Thanks for sharing Tim. [:)]
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I have used Scrivener for years. It is powerful, and so easy. So, what's my motivation (instead of simply "Pages" or "Word?" The answer is easy. it is an all in one.
I can hold all my research, all my ideas for slides, all my writing, and my outlines - all in one page. On the side, in the "Binder" I can deposit all those items in their proper bin/folder. I can quickly jot down a thought and store it - and can easily return to what I was previously writing (before the idea popped into my head). There's a way to jot down comments and footnotes without them getting into the body of the text I am writing.
It keeps me organized, and I can/could lay out plans and ideas for the series. I keep each point in a separate card, so I can rearrange as I desire. When I used a word processor, I was always cutting, moving, and pasting - and never sure where to place a particular idea. In Scrivener I can shuffle the cards (or the outline) as I desire.
Where did I place ideas, or sermon examples, or research (books, quotes, internet links) before Scrivener . . . I was using several different apps/programs before I found Scrivener.
Now they even have (in a few days) an iOS version that is apparently spectacular. Works super well with ur favorite Bible program/app, of course
Larry Edison
Scrivener for iOS releases this Wednesday, and it looks and works great. Most important, it syncs (via Dropbox) with either the Mac or Windows version of the app.
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Blog: Words on the Word
Scrivener for iOS releases this Wednesday, and it looks and works great. Most important, it syncs (via Dropbox) with either the Mac or Windows version of the app.
Scrivener is now my favourite tool for prep and sermon delivery. Logos is great as a research tool but for notes and prep I need something a little different. With IOS I can work up to the last minute and export to a PDF to goodreader just before going to the lectern.
I haven't used it yet, but I just picked it up on sale in the Mac App Store.
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Ah, yes, it was just (still is) 50% off. Good decision!
Eager to hear others' thoughts (and yours, alabama24, once you start using it). I know I have a tendency to geek out over good software (maybe more than is necessary), but this feels like everything a writing program should be. I'm wishing I had known about it sooner!
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Blog: Words on the Word
I use the UBS4; GNT; and Lexham resources in Greek- can't speak to Scrievner- but when dealing with textual issues its best to address all the text- use of skills is important- keep notes and keep records through notes in Logos or whatever program you use to track your learning- remember the Bible is God's revelation not our interpretation- its work and prayer , consulting the Author, not our personal preference.
I use Scrivener in research and writing. Linking urls from your Logos resources is helpful. Also, connecting a mind map program has been useful to see the thought process.
In addition, Scrivener would be perfect for creating PBs. Though I have not done it, Scrivener allows you to lay out the individual chapters and headings as well as converts to doc files.
I think you may be confusing this stuff with this.
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