Would love to have a collections of all of his sermons, better yet his LifeWorks!
From Wikipedia: " His father, a former Southern Baptist pastor, foundedLakewood Church, of which Osteen is the current senior pastor, in the back of an old feed store.…John Osteen encouraged Joel to preach for many years, but he declined, preferring to work behind the scenes until January 17, 1999, when he accepted his father's suggestion and he preached his first sermon. John Osteen died six days later of a heart attack."
What took him so long?
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George Somsel: John Osteen encouraged Joel to preach for many years, but he declined, preferring to work behind the scenes until January 17, 1999, when he accepted his father's suggestion and he preached his first sermon. John Osteen died six days later of a heart attack." What took him so long?
John Osteen encouraged Joel to preach for many years, but he declined, preferring to work behind the scenes until January 17, 1999, when he accepted his father's suggestion and he preached his first sermon. John Osteen died six days later of a heart attack."
Okay, George, since you teed this one up so nicely, I'll go ahead and take a swing at it.
Was it because he didn't want to give his dad heart failure??
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David Paul: George Somsel: John Osteen encouraged Joel to preach for many years, but he declined, preferring to work behind the scenes until January 17, 1999, when he accepted his father's suggestion and he preached his first sermon. John Osteen died six days later of a heart attack." What took him so long? Okay, George, since you teed this one up so nicely, I'll go ahead and take a swing at it. Was it because he didn't want to give his dad heart failure??
I think he means: what took his father so long to die after hearing Joel preach? ;-)
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Rosie Perera: David Paul: George Somsel: John Osteen encouraged Joel to preach for many years, but he declined, preferring to work behind the scenes until January 17, 1999, when he accepted his father's suggestion and he preached his first sermon. John Osteen died six days later of a heart attack." What took him so long? Okay, George, since you teed this one up so nicely, I'll go ahead and take a swing at it. Was it because he didn't want to give his dad heart failure?? I think he means: what took his father so long to die after hearing Joel preach? ;-)
You are being very generous calling what he does "preaching."
George Somsel: From Wikipedia: " His father, a former Southern Baptist pastor,
From Wikipedia: " His father, a former Southern Baptist pastor,
The man honestly makes my skin crawl. The fact that he was raised southern baptist is embarrassing; though shouldn't be surprising considering his formative years would have likely been before the resurgence or the innerancy controversy whatever you like to call it. Here is a recent article I came across regarding mr osteen.
Toughski - if you would like, since we are both SBC, relatively young guys, in seminary, and in the ministry I will take a minute to explain my reticence towards all things Osteen if you like. My email is jcr(dot)chilis (at) that gmail email site dot com.
This is my third edit. Can't seem to write something I'm happy with in regards to the man. Any way. I recently preached a sermon and one of the bunny trails we traveled down had to do with people in the bible knowing they were in the center of God's will. The following is sourced from a blend of tradition, and scripture.Paul - shipwrecked, snake bit, tossed in prison, stoned, and decapitated.James - executed by the sword of herod agrippa.Stephen - a thorough stoningPeter - Crucified UPSIDE DOWN.Andrew - HungThomas - Stabbed with pine spears, tortured with red hot burning metal plates, and then burned alive.Philip was tortured and crucified.Need I go on? Even Jesus who most would agree was in the absolute center of God's will His entire time on earth, was mocked, beaten, scourged, spit upon, and crucified. Just once as a Pastor I would love for someone to come up to me and say "I know I'm doing God's will, because things are getting more difficult". Instead most of the time its more like "I was going to the grocery store to get peanut butter but I know that wasn't God's will because I got a flat tire" OR "I know it isn't God's will for me to go into the ministry because I might take a pay cut".
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Joel Osteen has a writing team that puts together his "messages."
I must say..........No I shouldn't
The OP made a legitimate request for resources he would like to see added to Logos. The comments that followed quickly went downhill and are outside of Logos guidelines as I understand them.
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Fifer Dad:The OP made a legitimate request for resources he would like to see added to Logos. The comments that followed quickly went downhill and are outside of Logos guidelines as I understand them.
We have been here before.
Nevertheless, should we call out those whom we feel pervert the Word of God? Or should we extend grace and let false teachings go unchallenged?
In accordance with Logos guidelines, this is not the place for such observations.
At least that is my understanding.
toughski: Would love to have a collections of all of his sermons, better yet his LifeWorks!
Should be super easy to do as I think there will be a very low number of links that need to be created.
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Kent: We have been here before. Nevertheless, should we call out those whom we feel pervert the Word of God? Or should we extend grace and let false teachings go unchallenged?
Fifer Dad: In accordance with Logos guidelines, this is not the place for such observations. At least that is my understanding.
I think I read some other commands that supersede Logos rules. Now where was that???
Jacob Hantla: toughski: Would love to have a collections of all of his sermons, better yet his LifeWorks! Should be super easy to do as I think there will be a very low number of links that need to be created.
Kent, you got a herd of horses already out of the Logos barn door. Better get after them. No slouching.
I think the suggestion is quite good. I'm curious what the draw is (keeping in mind the early church also had a significant draw and not a single Logos link).
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toughski:Would love to have a collections of all of his sermons, better yet his LifeWorks!
Sure, If it can garner enough support to get out of Pre-Pub. I remember Mark Driscoll's sermons did not fare so well.
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While I agree with you about "everyone can be called out for perverting the Word of God by someone else here," yet when you have Calvinists, Arminians, Messianics, all agreeing together against Joel and when everyone from ANY solid conservative theological seminary would write off Joel's messages, that kind of puts it into a different category doesn't it? It's a little short of asking for Joseph Smith's speeches. Just my observation.
David Roberts:It's a little short of asking for Joseph Smith's speeches. Just my observation.
What is wrong with that?