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MJ/ Graham-
This behaviour happens with every pallet I ceate- it puts either the individual highlight under documents or as its doing now- creates a separate file under the pallet "name" i.e. ESV, NET, Unseen Realm, or any book or Bible name- and stores each and every hilite I do in those particular book in that particular folder.
If you mark up what you read as I do that can turn into thousands easily.
I do have each pallet setupthe way you indicate.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
MJ/ Graham-
This behaviour happens with every pallet I ceate- it puts either the individual highlight under documents or as its doing now- creates a separate file under the pallet "name" i.e. ESV, NET, Unseen Realm, or any book or Bible name- and stores each and every hilite I do in those particular book in that particular folder.
If you mark up what you read as I do that can turn into thousands easily.
I do have each pallet setupthe way you indicate.
Sorry meant to say each pallet is setup as "resource specific"- but the behaviour is the same.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
it puts either the individual highlight under documents
Could you post a shot of this? Perhaps, then I can see how it is possible and figure out how to report the bug.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
Below is a screen print the right panel is a hilite pallet I made to be only used in Heirs of Promise- you see there a list of nothing but hiltes- these are not notes- but the pallet appears under documents as a note file.
No - the panel on the right called "Heirs of Promise" is a Notes Document not a palette - which is why it appears as such in the Documents menu
Whyndell Grizzard said:Prior to me creating separate pallets for each resource all those hilites appeared individually under documents - I literally had thousands of hilites appearing as individual notes under the documents tab.
As MJ notes this is very puzzling and I don't know why it happened.
Whyndell Grizzard said:So I started creating separate pallets for each resource- this way they only appear under the pallet name in documents.
Again - in the Documents menu - they are Documents not Palettes.
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Yes, the documents menu ONLY holds documents... The confusion comes because the default is to have a note DOCUMENT named for the PALLET. The simplest thing to do is to use resource specific note documents. One document per resource.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:each Hilite pallet I have created for my resources appears as a note file under documents
What is actually happening here is that a notes document is being created with the same name as the resource (done by the software when you make the first highlight in the resource). It is this which is being seen in the Documents menu
Whyndell Grizzard said:but prior to doing this those individual hilites also showed up under visual filters
what is shown under the visual filter menu are individual notes documents. So this is consistent with your statement in another post that you were getting an entry in the Documents menu responding to each highlight.
If you are able to recreate this it would be good to see a screenshot of the Documents menu to understand how these are being named.
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NB.Mick said:alabama24 said:
The simplest thing to do is to use resource specific note documents. One document per resource.
You really want thousands of notes documents in that UI?
Which UI are you referring to? The Documents menu or the Visual Filter one?
In either case, I agree with Alabama that this is, in general, the best approach but the way you manage it depends on which aspects of the UI you are concerned about
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Graham Criddle said:
this. The VF only shows highlighting that is applied in the respective document, so no issue with that.
Have joy in the Lord!
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i havent found this results in an unwieldy number of Notes Documents - as they are only created when a resource is highlighted.
With the ability to search for notes and sort them in the Documents menu it seems to work fine.
Are you seeing something different?
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MJ. Smith said:Whyndell Grizzard said:
it puts either the individual highlight under documents
Could you post a shot of this? Perhaps, then I can see how it is possible and figure out how to report the bug.
Here is an example of what I do, hope it helps:
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I use individual pallets for resources and have them ticked "resource specific"- it loads all the hiliting in that folder- which is created in the notes files in documents (and yes it is listed under VF as well).
PRIOR to doing this they would end up mixed in a very long list with no designation under VF- thousands of them- finally had to delete all my hiliting to get rid of them. The present situation is the only workable one that makes sense with the present system.
!) Create a pallet for each resource you are going to study (meaning here say Unseen realm, Heirs of Promise, etc.)
2)Make sure it is resource specific
3) DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE USE IT FOR OTHER RESOURCES
4) After you have finished you can delete the pallet and it will clear all your hilites
5) you only have to deal with one folder, but it will contain all the hilites you do in any resource
6) make a separate "notes" folder for all your annotations- make sure the naming is different
I think this is pretty much what Alabama said- or close enough.
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I also meant to mention that since I have started doing this all the "individual" highlights have disappeared out of VF- it only list the single _ The Net Bible - which means I am now able to tick a single item and turn all the highlighting off in it- instead of having thousands of single highlight notes there- and by thousands I was not exaggerating.
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NB.Mick said:alabama24 said:
The simplest thing to do is to use resource specific note documents. One document per resource.
You really want thousands of notes documents in that UI?
no. I want the resource specific note documents to be HIDDEN by default. THAT is what should have been done from the beginning.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
since I have started doing this all the "individual" highlights have disappeared out of VF-
I suspect that I'll not be able to track down how you got them in the first place ... which is a bug or a very creative user.[;)]
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
I use individual pallets for resources and have them ticked "resource specific"- it loads all the hiliting in that folder- which is created in the notes files in documents (and yes it is listed under VF as well).
PRIOR to doing this they would end up mixed in a very long list with no designation under VF- thousands of them- finally had to delete all my hiliting to get rid of them. The present situation is the only workable one that makes sense with the present system.
!) Create a pallet for each resource you are going to study (meaning here say Unseen realm, Heirs of Promise, etc.)
2)Make sure it is resource specific
3) DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE USE IT FOR OTHER RESOURCES
4) After you have finished you can delete the pallet and it will clear all your hilites
5) you only have to deal with one folder, but it will contain all the hilites you do in any resource
6) make a separate "notes" folder for all your annotations- make sure the naming is different
Okay, I think there is a simpler way to get the same thing although it depends a bit on how you are using the delete step.
1. Create your palette once.
2. Make sure that palette is marked resource specific.
3. Each time you use in on a resource, it will create a Note file for that resource if one does not exist; otherwise it will add a Note to the appropriate resource file.
4. If you wish to delete all the highlights on a resource you can delete the Note file - but it is ALL highlights not just those from a particular palette. And you do have to do it for each resource highlighted.
5, Put your annotations in a separate file.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ- thanks for the follow up- having to create all these pallets for individual resources gets a little redundant- so I created "one" pallet called "Books"- what I do is duplicate it and name it whatever I want- whether bible or resource- this way i use the same highlights for markup- and keep it consistent across a variety of books.
Sorta don't reinvent the wheel type of approach.
Until I figured this out it was driving me nuts, and to honest was doing everything in BW10- I'm giving this approach a shot to see how it works- until they can come up with something a little more user controlled instead of being boxed in.
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Whyndell Grizzard said:
Could you post a shot of this? Perhaps, then I can see how it is possible and figure out how to report the bug.
Thank you - what it shows, and what you describe, is what I would expect and don't think it is a bug
Whyndell Grizzard said:I use individual pallets for resources and have them ticked "resource specific"- it loads all the hiliting in that folder- which is created in the notes files in documents (and yes it is listed under VF as well).
This is expected behaviour. But what you refer to as a "folder" is actually a Notes Document - which is why it appears in the Documents menu and in the Visual Filter menu - with this Notes Document containing all the highlights relating to that resource.
Whyndell Grizzard said:3) DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE USE IT FOR OTHER RESOURCES
Please carry out an experiment for me. Do use the highlights from this palette on another resource. It should cause a Notes Document to be created with the same name as the other resource NOT the same as the palette. This Document will appear in the Documents Menu and under the Visual Filter dropdown for this new resource.
Whyndell Grizzard said:4) After you have finished you can delete the pallet and it will clear all your hilites
I understand this - my suggestion above means that you would delete the per-resource Notes Document as opposed to the palette - but you would only need to have the single palette
Whyndell Grizzard said:5) you only have to deal with one folder, but it will contain all the hilites you do in any resource
In my suggestion you have a single Notes Document per resource and it will contain all the highlights you have on that resource.
If you do want to have all highlights for all resources in one Notes Document - without having to recreate the palette for each resource - I would designate a specific Notes Document for that palette (one of the options MJ commented on above) which, again, would mean you no longer have to create a palette for each resource.
Does this make sense?
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Graham- Yes what you point out makes sense- and I appreciate all the direction and comment you have provided.
For the time being, since I have found away to reduce the clutter- I'll keep my approach simple, and to be honest relieved a ton of frustration with this notes and highlighting situation for me.
MY next approach will be to te my Bible highlights to the resource I'm working through, so that I can turn my normal "read only" highlighting off and turn on say "Unseen Realm" highlighting when reviewing notes and Scripture.
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