Vyrso is the poorest excuse for an e-reader I have ever seen
they took the logos app, deleted some features and call it an e-reader. I have thousands of books and I cannot make collections and I cannot even choose to view cloud books or downloaded books. If I want to open a book, I must use the search. I choose "title" and enter a title, and the search type changes to "related." I Change I back and search again. even if I type in the exact title, the book I want is rarely first in the list.
Example: I bought five books for Lent. They appeared in my desktop logos, but not mobile Vyrso. I called and their answer was to delete the app and reinstall it. That worked, but a really bad fix. So now I have five books that I want to read from every day for they next 45 days. I now have to remember the exact titles, open the app and search twice, sinceit always resets to "related" for each book. It would be infinitely simpler to create a collection of Lent books and put those in the collection. Instead, my daily reading takes twice as long as it needs to because the app is not an e-reader, to is a cludge.
Add to all this, every time I open Vyrso, I am blasted with 15 offers to join a reading community. So I have to delete all those each day before I read my lent readings.
Logos/faithlife is a very rich company and they have thousands of my dollars. iBooks is good, kindle is good, why can't Vyrso even have basic e-reader features? It is unusable.
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Hi Michael - and welcome to the forums
Dr. Michael Wilson said:I cannot make collections
What you can do is tag the resources on the desktop and then filter by that tag in the library on Vyrso. This provides the sort of capability you are looking for
Dr. Michael Wilson said:I cannot even choose to view cloud books or downloaded books
If you type "local:" into the library filter you will just see downloaded resources (and elsewhere on the forums a more "point and click" interface has been requested)
Dr. Michael Wilson said:I choose "title" and enter a title, and the search type changes to "related."
In my version it changes to "rank" - what version of the app are you using?
Dr. Michael Wilson said:I called and their answer was to delete the app and reinstall it. That worked, but a really bad fix.
It is probable that typing "rebuild index" into the box on the homepage and leaving it for a few minutes would have fixed this
Dr. Michael Wilson said:I now have to remember the exact titles, open the app and search twice, sinceit always resets to "related" for each book.
Have you tried setting the library to "Sort by Recent"? This should cause these titles to float towards the top
Dr. Michael Wilson said:It would be infinitely simpler to create a collection of Lent books and put those in the collection.
As above you can do this with tags
Dr. Michael Wilson said:Add to all this, every time I open Vyrso, I am blasted with 15 offers to join a reading community
On the homepage, tap on the gear icon at the top right and deselect "Reading Plan Invitations"
Hope this helps, Graham
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What device has you installed Vyrso on? I run Logos rather than Vyrso on my Kindle. I know a number of other mobile devices can run either - but not all.
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Michael,
Many of us would agree that Vyrso doesn't always work well for people with large libraries. It's actually a reasonable e-reader, but it doesn't have library management (although you can do that on the desktop).
But we can make it a bit easier to find frequently used resources. Either:
- Make sure you download the books you're interested in reading onto your iPad/iPhone from the Vyrso app. You'll then be able to find just your downloaded resources by tying local: in the library filter (don't forget the colon).
- or Open each resource you're interested in, in turn. Now, go back to your library and change the sort order to Sort By Recent. That will help you to easily find the resources next time.
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These are called undocumented cludge work arounds. If I try the "recent" it will always reset to "related" so I do it again and it works. Yes, but if I have 60 books downloaded, these are pointless. Sorry, but Logos toots its own horn ALL THE TIME. I get marketing emails every day telling me how great this system is and this app falls WAY short.
Michael
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Making people jump through hoops and trying to remember all this stuff makes my want to delete this app and give up. Intuitive, easy, "it just works" are things we need to be going for here.
I stand by it, "Vyrso is the poorest excuse for an e-reader I have ever seen." and all these work arounds and undocumented hoops proves it.
Michael
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2 ipads and an iphone
Michael
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Sorry Michael
All we, as users, are able to do is advise how to best use the products as they exist today.
Graham
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Greetings,
I just spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure out what you mean by "tag the resource." I have search the logos site, looked at help in the logos program and have no idea what you are talking about. Any help on what you mean by "tag" and how to do it would be appreciated.
A workaround is only valuable if it works.
Michael
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
I just spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure out what you mean by "tag the resource." I have search the logos site, looked at help in the logos program and have no idea what you are talking about. Any help on what you mean by "tag" and how to do it would be appreciated.
Tagging is outlined at https://wiki.logos.com/Tagging - the article was written for Logos 4 so some of the details are different but the concepts are the same.
In the screenshot below you can see I have tagged a particular book with three tags
If I enter the string "mytag:shelf-fiction" into the filter on the Library screen in the iPad app I just see the resources that are tagged with that tag
Does that help to clarify?
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
A workaround is only valuable if it works.
Just a reminder: The forums are a place where volunteers spend time answering other users questions. A little more grace would be appreciated.
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Hi Dr. Michael Wilson,
I apologize for the difficulties you've been experiencing with the Vyrso app. There are a couple of additional options you could explore to access your go-to devotions/ebooks in the app:
- You can quickly access ebooks you've recently read under the "History" tab. I think this will be your best solution for reading your Lent devotionals on a daily basis. You can find the history section by selecting the "More" tab at the bottom of the home screen, then select "History" under the "Tools" section.
- Another option would be to read your Vyrso ebooks in the Logos app. As you noticed, Vyrso ebooks are available on the Logos desktop app and in the Logos mobile app.
I've noted the different suggestions you've made for improving the user experience for the app. We really appreciate your honest and candid feedback! Again, I apologize for the difficulties you've experienced. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to make your experience better.
Thanks,
Brian
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Tags and History seem to work. It takes time (close to 30 minutes) for tags to propagate through all my devices, but they all seemed synced now and this will work. I do have a huge library, I have been with Logos since the beginning so this will not work for the large collections. One reason is that Logos 6 crashes when I have more than 60 books open. I have notified them and they are looking into it. For small, short term collections, I think this will work. Thanks
Michael
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
One reason is that Logos 6 crashes when I have more than 60 books open.
Why would you have more than 60 books open?
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[Why would you have more than 60 books open?]
I am not sure if this is rhetorical or not, but I will answer the way Logos wants me to. Logos is supposed to replace a desk full of open books. I am preaching on truth this Sunday, so I search for all the references that have truth tagged. That is hundreds. I open them all and work through them reading and taking notes and keeping open the books I want to use. If I save that as a layout, with more than 60 books, close logos and reopen the layout it crashes.
The point of logos is to have a library where I can have any number of books open all cross referenced. That is how I write a sermon.
Michael
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It sounds to me as if you are trying to use Vyrso to do Logos' job. Tell me again why you are using Vyrso rather than Logos? Your frustration seems to be to be from trying to use a screwdriver (Vyrso) as a hammer (Logos). In Logos/Verbum it makes sense to have 60 books open ... or at your fingertips. In Vyrso it does not.
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MJ. Smith said:
In Logos/Verbum it makes sense to have 60 books open ... or at your fingertips. In Vyrso it does not.
Michael is talking about desktop Logos here.
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
I am not sure if this is rhetorical or not
Not rhetorical at all.
Dr. Michael Wilson said:Logos is supposed to replace a desk full of open books.
Well, no. Logos is supposed to be a "personal research library." There is a limit to what both the software (and your hardware) will be able to support. Having 30 resources open is pushing it. I'd love to see a screen shot. [:)]
FWIW - I am a strong proponent of Faithlife creating "projects" to replace the current concept of "layouts." I won't bore you with all of that now, but your case is intriguing. I'll have to give some thought to how I would try to improve your workflow.
When it comes to mobile, the concept of "projects" is really important... If you are working on a sermon for "truth" for this week, "grace" for next week, a funeral for Wednesday and a wedding for Saturday, you may use some resources (i.e. Bible) for all four "projects." When you open the resource on mobile, where should the resource open? I am pushing for the idea of "projects" so that you can control the opening position for each resource based on each distinctive "project."
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I don't think 60 books open is significant at all. I think David Paul had at least that amount open on Libby. I keep a standard 120+ books always open on Logos6, primarily since they're my 'research world' (all pre-linked, etc) that supports my other Bible apps. Now, on my Libby, I typically limit her to 20-30 books per workspace.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I would like the CEO of Logos to respond to this. Everywhere I look they talk about replacing a bookshelf of books with Logos. I have been to Camp Logos and they repeat over and over again telling us to put away our printed books and use Logos. Logos replaces a desk full of printed books for research, reading and sermon preparation in my world.
Michael
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Denise said:
I don't think 60 books open is significant at all.
I'll take your word for it. [:)]
Denise said:I keep a standard 120+ books always open on Logos6, primarily since they're my 'research world' (all pre-linked, etc) that supports my other Bible apps.
I can't imagine that. I like things to be simple and clean.
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
I would like the CEO of Logos to respond to this.
Why? Because I (a volunteer) said you shouldn't have that many books open? If my forum friends think that 60 books isn't unreasonable, I am probably wrong... but if you want to talk to him, his email is bob@logos.com
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IMO it's not at all unreasonable that Michael should want Logos not to crash if he has 60 books open. I personally wouldn't find that an efficient way of studying, but Logos shouldn't crash, especially if the spec of his computer is up to Logos' recommendations.
Michael - why don't you upload your logs from the crash, and we'll see if we can help you? If you want to do that, it will be best to create a new thread in the Logos 6 forum.
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Where do I get logos specific logs?
Michael
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
Where do I get logos specific logs?
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
Where do I get logos specific logs?
Michael
if you are on Mac, there is a link in my signature line.
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I guess the OP is busily trying to figure out how to do 'logs' while everyone is waiting with baited-breath. Far be it from me to hint that given how often users have to dutifully post logs, that maybe a button, special key sequence, etc could have done the trick. I think this goes back 5 years now?
It's kind of like a button on Vyrso to see 'local:'. Or select a 'collection'. Kind of like on Kindle. I really do believe it didn't elude the Logos iTeam. There had to be a conscious decision not too (hypothetical of course). 'local:' makes so much more sense (and case-sensitive too, if you can believe it).
Alabama, in my kitchen everything is in its place. I don't throw everything in a big drawer, and then run a search for a spatula. Similarly my over-organized better half wiould risk our marriage, should I mis-place a single tool in the garage ... all carefully organized and in-sight. No need for search routines, 'collections', tags, etc.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I have one random post about forums. Do with it what you will. No one goes to a support forum because everything is great. No one goes to a support forum to tell the world how wonderful life is and to praise all those who are in that forum. No one goes to a support forum because they have nothing else to do, unless they want to offer help and support. 99.9% of people go to support forums because there is something wrong. They will go if there is problems, frustrations and crashes. Therefore most people who go to forums are not in the best of moods.
Sorry if I did not have enough grace, sorry if someone did not like HOW I said something. As I have written logos support, I feel ripped off and cannot use the books I bought. They have no idea and suggested the forums. So here I am.
Michael
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
I feel ripped off and cannot use the books I bought.
Michael,
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
99.9% of people go to support forums because there is something wrong. They will go if there is problems, frustrations and crashes. Therefore most people who go to forums are not in the best of moods.
Certainly the forums are a place where people often come to figure out things are are wrong but many of us use the forums to learn how to use Logos more effectively. I learn new things most days and consider my involvement in this community both a training opportunity as well as an opportunity to help others - both receiving and giving.
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Dr. Michael Wilson said:
Sorry if I did not have enough grace, sorry if someone did not like HOW I said something. As I have written logos support, I feel ripped off and cannot use the books I bought. They have no idea and suggested the forums. So here I am.
You will find that the forums are very good at either solving problems or identifying the problem sufficiently to get Logos staff involved. But we need very specific information in order to understand the situation. Simply telling us it crashes identifies the problem only when there is a current frequent crash. Otherwise we need logs of the crash, preferable with a screen shot of your layout. When you been to the forums for help several times, you'll start to learn the personalities of the regulars. I'm the one who insists on logic, precision and good manners. [;)] But trust me, we will stick with it until we get to the root of the problems even if who responds changes as the issues come into clearer focus.
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