http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-robert-schuller-20150403-story.html#page=1
A prayer for his family and friends.
Thanks for sharing Floyd. I didn't know this.
Reading the article, it's interesting what attracted growth (which of course must not be real), and that in religion, no one seems able to pass sucess to the children (unlike government, business, military, and tribal).
This should help the Robert Schuller Sermon Collection in Community Pricing.
What do you mean? Can you elaborate?
William ... that's tongue in cheek, relative to a sizable portion of protestant ecclesiastics that insist correctness of mesage proceeds body counts. I'm always impressed that the gospels made no apology for the thousands attracted to Jesus for health improvements. One major reason I like the current pope.
FWIW: The transcript of an interview of Robert Schuller by Michael Horton in 1992 can be found here .
FWIW
Thanks, JRS. it was worth quite a bit. It should make James 3:1 very scary.
Interesting interview.
Requiem aeternam dona ei, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat ei. Requiescat in pace.
Actually, those were just some transcribed highlights ... the full, two hour interview in downloadable mp3 format can be found here for a modest price.
(Sorry. I should have included this info in my first post.)
Amen.
Yep- heretical teaching.
A man has died, and a family is dealing with loss. His fate is in God's hands, and it seems unlikely that He will ask our opinion on the matter. Nothing is served by any critiques or speculations we may have at this point. When the time comes to study Scripture and doctrine, let's examine everything carefully to see what is true. But when it comes to the man, let's leave him to his God and his family's memory.
Death, loss and grief are things that we will all face some day, if we haven't faced them already. When we do, may our families receive the same courtesy.
A man has died, and a family is dealing with loss. His fate is in God's hands, and it seems unlikely that He will ask our opinion on the matter. Nothing is served by any critiques or speculations we may have at this point. When the time comes to study Scripture and doctrine, let's examine everything carefully to see what is true. But when it comes to the man, let's leave him to his God and his family's memory. Death, loss and grief are things that we will all face some day, if we haven't faced them already. When we do, may our families receive the same courtesy.
You're right in the sense that, in the end, we are not the Judge. And my hope for Mr. Schuller along with everyone else is in the gospel of Christ.
Aside from that, however, I think we ought to be discussing his ministry. If there was one thing Schuller wanted, it was for us to learn from him. One of his goals was training. Now, perhaps many of us would draw different conclusions about how to approach ministry as we evaluate his life and his work. But I don't think it's off limits because he's died (especially as a public figure). We should be careful about what we say about him or anyone we critique, but we also cannot entirely disassociate him from his ministry.
A number of years ago I was privileged to teach at Northwestern College in Orange City, IA - a Reformed Church college. Northwestern College was very much aware of Rev. Schuller's Reformed Church heritage, but the attitude on campus was "we want nothing to do with him." I wasn't bothered with the lack of attention paid to Schuller at the time, being a fairly straight-forward Wesleyand/Arminian. On the other hand, looking back, I think he deserved a bit more respect than what he received on the campus.
I heard Schuller say (to a non-Christian) it did not matter what name you called God by since we all worship the same god.
~ just sayin'.
Edited (to a non-Christian) added
ST ... no need to quote Schuller ... that was the good apostle Paul's argument. Leading to yesterday's event par excellence.
My feeling is that there's a time and place for all things, and that the immediate aftermath of a man's death is not the most seemly time to critique his life. That doesn't mean that we can never say anything negative about the dead or disagree with them (perhaps even vigorously). But when we use an obituary as the occasion for dissecting a ministry, it can feel like we're piling on, so to speak. If we give it a little time the discussions will arise more naturally in the context of our studies and the life of the church, and perhaps we'll have a bit more perspective as well.
