Community Pricing and Pre-Pub

What really doesn't make sense is how any Reformed products could languish in Community Pricing or Pre-Pub. It honestly makes no sense. Especially given the weight of the titles awaiting to see digital inclusion into a Scholar's library. Call it cliche or stereotypical but the Reformed community is the ONE community I expect on Logos to be consistently pumping out resources due to the very nature of our community being so engrossed in deep and thoughtful study.

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Matthew C Jones

Call it cliche or stereotypical but the Reformed community is the ONE community I expect on Logos to be consistently pumping out resources due to the very nature of our community being so engrossed in deep and thoughtful study.

? Maybe there are too many of the non-Reformed persuasion. (You know, the type who don't do deep or thoughtful thinking.)

SineNomine

What really doesn't make sense is how any Reformed products could languish in Community Pricing or Pre-Pub. It honestly makes no sense. Especially given the weight of the titles awaiting to see digital inclusion into a Scholar's library.

In your estimation, what are the ten weightiest Reformed products presently languishing in CP or PrePub?

Stephen Steele

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/724628#Comment_724628

Like Joshua, I'm frustrated by the lack of progress of many of the Reformed CPs.

I did a post in Feb 2014 about works by Westminster Divines and Scottish Reformers that were struggling - only one which has progressed to a pre-pub since, and only because it came with one of the Reformed base packages.

To that list I would add the following Reformed CPs that are struggling:
- Select Works of James Durham
- The Works of John Brown of Haddington
- A Series of Tracts on the Doctrines, Order, and Polity of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America
- Select Works of George Gillespie
- Classic Works on the Westminster Shorter Catechism

You could also add 'Select Works on the Westminster Assembly', but given that many of the works are attacks on the Westminster Divines and the fact that it's missing the most important contemporary commentary on the Confession of Faith, it's not that surprising that it hasn't made much progress.

If I had to pick one of them that I would like to see Faithlife push into production it would be The Presbyterian's Armoury - which has content from George Gillespie, Samuel Rutherford, James Durham, John Brown of Wamphray and David Calderwood. I would pay a lot to get those works individually, never mind combined in one package.

At the same time, it's hard to blame Faithlife if the interest isn't there. Maybe they could be doing more to try and drum up some interest however - eg some more emails would be helpful (I am signed up to quite a lot, but don't remember being sent emails about any of these) and promotion on the main blog? It would be quite easy to find quotes from modern authors about the importance of these works today (eg as I have done recently here).

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/724610#Comment_724610

Maybe there are too many of the non-Reformed persuasion.

If you look at the sales of base packages, you'll see that Reformed base packages outsell all other 'denominational' packages. The top 10 of denominational packages is:

Pentecostal & Charismatic Silver
Reformed Gold
Reformed Starter
Baptist Gold
Reformed Bronze
Verbum Basic
SDA Silver
Reformed Platinum
Baptist Starter
Verbum Foundation

I would suspect the reasons why reformed products are languishing in pre-pub or CP are:

We've all blown our budgets on Reformed base packages!
Lots of the Reformed CP titles are huge, and require an enormous number of bids.
Lots of the Reformed titles are already available in other products (e.g. Purtian Hard Drive), which although inferior, are at least usable.
There's a lot being marketed to us at the moment (178 prepubs, 53 CP), and our dollars are being spread out too thinly.

Joshua Daniel Simmons

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/724922#Comment_724922

@Super.Tramp

Let me start by saying that my comment about being "engrossed in deep and thoughtful study" was in no way aimed at any other denomination, historical tradition or group other than the Reformed community, especially seeing as how the thread was created within the Reformed forum. I meant no offense or disrespect and apologize if it came off that way. Moreover, I apologize for the poorly selected words.

Joshua Daniel Simmons

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725533#Comment_725533

Top 10 weightiest in no particular order:

https://www.logos.com/product/8514/the-works-of-john-gill

https://www.logos.com/product/17817/princeton-theological-review

https://www.logos.com/product/40106/classic-works-on-the-westminster-shorter-catechism

https://www.logos.com/product/41251/select-works-on-reformed-symbolics

https://www.logos.com/product/15700/the-works-of-john-brown-of-haddington

https://www.logos.com/product/33686/the-sermons-and-other-practical-works-of-ralph-erskine

https://www.logos.com/product/20427/the-works-of-rev-philip-doddridge

https://www.logos.com/product/34194/the-presbyterians-armoury

https://www.logos.com/product/36500/posthumous-works-of-thomas-chalmers

https://www.logos.com/product/45411/select-works-of-james-durham

Thankfully Turretin's Institutes is currently "Under Development" in Pre-Pub so I need not post it here.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/724922#Comment_724922

If you look at the sales of base packages, you'll see that Reformed base packages outsell all other 'denominational' packages. The top 10 of denominational packages is:

Pentecostal & Charismatic Silver

Reformed Gold

Reformed Starter

Baptist Gold

Reformed Bronze

Verbum Basic

SDA Silver

Reformed Platinum

Baptist Starter

Verbum Foundation

Interesting and not quite what I would have predicted (the Pentecostal & Charismatic surprises me). But I can't help wondering what I'm seeing.

What is the source of the data?
What is the time period of the data?
Where do the "standard" packages fit in the list?

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725545#Comment_725545

Interesting and not quite what I would have predicted (the Pentecostal & Charismatic surprises me). But I can't help wondering what I'm seeing.

What is the source of the data?

What is the time period of the data?

Where do the "standard" packages fit in the list?

I used the "Bestselling" sort option in the store to generate the results. From something Phil once said, I think it just sorts in terms of units sold at any time, so older packages would have an advantage over younger ones. In this case, however, all the L6 packages were launched at the same time.

With regard to the standard packages, their order is:

Gold
Starter
Platinum
Bronze
Silver
Feature Crossgrade
Extended Crossgrade
Diamond
Portfolio
Core Crossgrade
{Denomination list 1-3}
Collectors
{Denomination list 4-10}
Biblical languages

I'm not entirely surprised by Pentecostal and Charismatic being top. I think there are two main reasons for that.

First, that stream only goes up to Silver, so whilst Reformed Buyers sales were split over seven packages, P&C customers were only split over three. You'd expect higher sales per product in that scenario.
Second, P&C Silver contains a couple of moderately expensive sets of general interest to evangelicals that aren't available in standard base pacakges (IVPNT $290, only in Platinum and above; Life Application $200 not in any other base package; David Guzik $185 not in any other package; Tozer Collection $400 not in any other package). I would imagine the dynamic price on P&C Silver for a Gold owner would be quite attractive if they had an interest in these sets.

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725558#Comment_725558

I note that the most costly Spanish-language base package Tesoro would be eighth if included it in these lists. That's higher than any English-language denominational base package.

James C.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725558#Comment_725558

I'm not entirely surprised by Pentecostal and Charismatic being top. I think there are two main reasons for that.

First, that stream only goes up to Silver, so whilst Reformed Buyers sales were split over seven packages, P&C customers were only split over three. You'd expect higher sales per product in that scenario.

Second, P&C Silver contains a couple of moderately expensive sets of general interest to evangelicals that aren't available in standard base pacakges (IVPNT $290, only in Platinum and above; Life Application $200 not in any other base package; David Guzik $185 not in any other package; Tozer Collection $400 not in any other package). I would imagine the dynamic price on P&C Silver for a Gold owner would be quite attractive if they had an interest in these sets.

I'm wondering if the Pentecostal and Charismatic package is so high due to the fact that when it was first made available it was for free for a few hours (by mistake).

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725558#Comment_725558

In this case, however, all the L6 packages were launched at the same time.

I think you've probably correctly identified the factors that influence sales of the Pentecostal and Charismatic base packages - possibly neglecting pent up demand. I believe this was the last denominational grouping to get base packages.

I'm encouraged by the rankings of less costly base packages, it seems to indicate that the customer base is continuing to grow.

The Dynamic Price incentive may be the most influential factor driving sales for many of the other base packages.

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725576#Comment_725576

I'm encouraged by the rankings of less costly base packages, it seems to indicate that the customer base is continuing to grow.

Then again, maybe this just indicates that many took a least costly path updating to L6 before the free update was available.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725580#Comment_725580

I'm encouraged by the rankings of less costly base packages, it seems to indicate that the customer base is continuing to grow.

Then again, maybe this just indicates that many took a least costly path updating to L6 before the free update was available.

And still again, it may indicate that owners of large libraries rounded off their main package by taking advantage of dynamic pricing for the small denominational packages. But seing Diamond, Portfolio and even Collectors that high on the list seems to indicate that Faithlife is going strong financially.

The relative position of the deniminational packages will surely be affected not only by the demographics of the user base, but also by the availability of core works in the standard line (which is pretty "reformed" already, some say) versus in the denom packages (Lutheran with Luther's Works might sell better) versus in add-on bundles.

JAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725594#Comment_725594

And still again, it may indicate that owners of large libraries rounded off their main package by taking advantage of dynamic pricing for the small denominational packages.

Agreed - see my earlier post.

The Dynamic Price incentive may be the most influential factor driving sales for many of the other base packages.

Stephen Steele

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725595#Comment_725595

Another Reformed CP that's (surprisingly) struggling is: Select Life and Works of Matthew Henry.

More positively, the Patrick Fairbairn collection is coming on well, and 7 volumes each of Thomas Watson and Jeremiah Burroughs didn't take too long before becoming pre-pubs (though the Watson collection has been 'under development' for well over a year).

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/726069#Comment_726069

Another Reformed CP that's (surprisingly) struggling is: Select Life and Works of Matthew Henry.

"Surprisingly" indeed! When I first came this in CP I thought it was a no-brainer but, alas, I'm still waiting ...

Stephen Steele

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/726149#Comment_726149

There's also been very little movement on The Sermons and Lectures of John Calvin - it's still sitting at the opening price (which will gradually go up as people pre-order).

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/724628#Comment_724628

In your estimation, what are the ten weightiest Reformed products presently languishing in CP or PrePub?

I'll jump on this. It isn't necessarily Reformed, but the English Bible Collection has been languishing for a long time. This is supposed to be a Bible Software program and we can't get important historical bibles out of CP.

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/725545#Comment_725545

If you look at the sales of base packages, you'll see that Reformed base packages outsell all other 'denominational' packages. The top 10 of denominational packages is:

Pentecostal & Charismatic Silver

Reformed Gold

Reformed Starter

Baptist Gold

Reformed Bronze

Verbum Basic

SDA Silver

Reformed Platinum

Baptist Starter

Verbum Foundation

Interesting and not quite what I would have predicted (the Pentecostal & Charismatic surprises me). But I can't help wondering what I'm seeing.

What is the source of the data?

What is the time period of the data?

Where do the "standard" packages fit in the list?

The webstore had glitched last year giving away P & C 5 silver for free for a day or two.

Then the upgrade from P & C 5 to 6 was inexpensive.

Suspect those two facts are related to the popularity of the BP.