Ellen White Writings Updated
Logos has begun the process of releasing the updated writings of Ellen White. They now have the timeline flag next to them, and table of contents.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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i noticed a few other tags as well (like Review and Herald was linked and a couple of other things).
Can't wait until it's fully tagged
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Lynden Williams said:
Logos has begun the process of releasing the updated writings of Ellen White. They now have the timeline flag next to them, and table of contents.
Where do you see this? Can you provide a screenshot please?
Martin, have you noticed some of the inappropriate comments being made on the new EGW Lifeworks Collection product page? I've tried responding to them, but it won't let me. Very frustrating. Any time I try responding, it says "There was a problem submitting your reply. Please try again." Anyway, if Logos is going to allow these inappropriate posts on that product page they should at least allow responses. If they won't allow responses, they shouldn't allow the inappropriate posts either. I flagged them as inappropriate, maybe others here can do the same until they are removed.
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It is usually a waste of time Tim. If you want to respond, then click on the individual's name which opens up faithlife website and you can respond to their review.
Here is my answer to one of them.
The write up comes from the publisher.
Logos is not in the business of determining what is orthodox, evangelical etc. I have stuff that I do not agree with either. When you go to a book store you choose (what you consider to be the best) and leave the rest. If individuals do not know what to buy, then they should consult with someone in authority to help them choose.
Run this search depending on the size and content of your library, ("shea, william" OR "hasel, G") in your library and see the results.
I should have added that these are two Adventist theologians who are reknown and respected in their fields.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Those who are not Adventist search for auss (Andrews University Seminary Studies) across your library and see the results.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
If you want to respond, then click on the individual's name which opens up faithlife website and you can respond to their review.
I just tried this and this does not work either. Logos either has a bug in their website or they have disabled responses to these specific posts for some reason. Strange.
Lynden, did you get my first question in my previous post? It was directed at you, FYI.
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Here you go. Updated yesterday.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
I have stuff that I do not agree with either.
But that is where the FUN begins. Follow their discussions. Can you find where they take their first wrong step? [If they are wrong there must be a wrong step somewhere!]
Following their discussions is much better than taking someone else's word for what they say.
One case: the enemies [someone else's word] say that they 'TO' while they [the 'stuff' that 'we' do not agree with but written by them directly] say that they 'THROUGH'. Find out what they really say and many of the arguments against 'them' fall apart. And that is why some of us need things in our library that we do not [currently] agree with. We just might be wrong.
On the other hand if you are absolutely positive that you are right in every detail then don't ever read any thing that 'you do not agree with'.
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We are expecting that the various bugs in the EGW Lifeworks (including lack of many of the covers will be fixed in the updating now in process).
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BTW, we are continuing to work on getting AUSS. Nothing will happen until their committee meets after GC Session. I've had a number of emails on that project this week. I'm extremely eager with you to see this product in the SDA Logos library.
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@Tim, thanks for flagging that product page. I'll post something there. It's hard to know how to respond to some of what is said about SDAs. Sadly, much of it is deserved, I fear. There are some awful, legalistic promoters of our message. They have caused me much more grief during my 44 years of ministry than people outside our church, even in my work as an evangelist.
The sabbatarians in Christ's day had Him crucified. Not much has changed in these last days for some of our most fervent SDA colleagues. We all have our own wounds from their attacks, I'm sure.
That said, we also have some wonderful, wonderful people and our doctrines can/should/must be expressed in a grace-based manner. All of them shine forth in the kingdom of grace, beginning with the Sabbath. Visit my website www.sda4me.com (it's also in Logos now--I've dedicated any royalties for the benefit of poor pastors around the world).
Summarizing: we SDAs need to understand what is meant in John 1:16: "The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."
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I'm unable to reply either to the EGW product page. Our IT people say this has been a known issue for other product pages as well that they thought had been fixed. Apparently further issues remain. I'll await further news from them and update you with any word from them.
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Martin H Weber said:
@Tim, thanks for flagging that product page. I'll post something there. It's hard to know how to respond to some of what is said about SDAs. Sadly, much of it is deserved, I fear. There are some awful, legalistic promoters of our message. They have caused me much more grief during my 44 years of ministry than people outside our church, even in my work as an evangelist.
The sabbatarians in Christ's day had Him crucified. Not much has changed in these last days for some of our most fervent SDA colleagues. We all have our own wounds from their attacks, I'm sure.
That said, we also have some wonderful, wonderful people and our doctrines can/should/must be expressed in a grace-based manner. All of them shine forth in the kingdom of grace, beginning with the Sabbath. Visit my website www.sda4me.com (it's also in Logos now--I've dedicated any royalties for the benefit of poor pastors around the world).
Summarizing: we SDAs need to understand what is meant in John 1:16: "The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."
Amen, well said Martin. Thank you very much for all your work on the SDA materials.
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Martin H Weber said:
I'm unable to reply either to the EGW product page. Our IT people say this has been a known issue for other product pages as well that they thought had been fixed. Apparently further issues remain. I'll await further news from them and update you with any word from them.
Oh ok... I'm glad it's not just me. I was starting to wonder!
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I am seeing the table of contents, page numbers changed and Bible verses tagged/linked, so those are all good improvements!
Is there any way to prioritize the conflict of the ages series, Martin? As I know those are some of the most well-used books in all her writings. So far as I can tell, none of these books have been updated yet, but quite a few others have! This screenshot is from volume 6 of the Testimonies to the Church series, where you can see some of the updates in action! Exciting!
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And I'm starting to see a few book covers come in! That's good too!
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Ok now I'm seeing the timeline links too, pretty cool!
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Alright, so for those who care, here is a complete list (I believe) of all the EGW Resources that have been updated so far.
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 10 [Nos. 771–850, 1980–1981]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 11 [Nos. 851–920, 1981–1982]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 12 [Nos. 921–999, 1982–1983]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 13 [Nos. 1000–1080, 1983–1984]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 14 [Nos. 1081–1135, 1984–1985]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 15 [Nos. 1136–1185, 1985–1986]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 16 [Nos. 1186–1235, 1986–1987]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 17 [Nos. 1236–1300, 1987]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 18 [Nos. 1301–1359, 1987–1988]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 19 [Nos. 1360–1419, 1988]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 2 [Nos. 97–161, 1958–1964]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 20 [Nos. 1420–1500, 1988–1990]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 21 [Nos. 1501–1598, 1990–1991]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 3 [Nos. 162–209, 1964–1968]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 4 [Nos. 210–259, 1968–1971]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 6 [Nos. 347–418, 1973–1975]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 7 [Nos. 419–525, 1975–1977]
- Manuscript Releases, Volume 8 [Nos. 526–663, 1977–1978]
- Mind, Character, and Personality, Volume 1
- Notebook Leaflets from the Elmshaven Library, Volume 1
- Notebook Leaflets from the Elmshaven Library, Volume 2
- Redemption; or The First Advent of Christ, with His Life and Ministry
- Redemption; or The Ministry of Peter and the Conversion of Saul
- Redemption; or The Miracles of Christ, the Mighty One
- Redemption; or The Resurrection of Christ, and His Ascension
- Redemption; or The Sufferings of Christ, His Trial and Crucifixion
- Redemption; or The Teachings of Christ, the Anointed One
- Redemption; or The Temptation of Christ in the Wilderness
- Redemption: or the Teachings of Paul, and his Mission to the Gentiles
- Selected Messages, Book 2
- Selected Messages, Book 3
- Sermons and Talks, Volume 2
- Spiritual Gifts, Volume 1
- Spiritual Gifts, Volume 2
- Spiritual Gifts, Volume 3
- Spiritual Gifts, Volume 4a
- Spiritual Gifts, Volume 4b
- Testimonies for the Church, Volume 1
- Testimonies for the Church, Volume 2
- Testimonies for the Church, Volume 4
- Testimonies for the Church, Volume 6
- The Australian Years
- The Early Elmshaven Years
- The Early Years
- The Lonely Years
- The Progressive Years
- The Spirit of Prophecy, Volume 2
- The Spirit of Prophecy, Volume 4
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Tim Taylor said:
And I'm starting to see a few book covers come in! That's good too!
How come mine does not have book covers?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
How come mine does not have book covers?
I had to pay extra for that feature, Lynden! [;)] Just kidding of course. I only see book covers for a couple of books.
Martin, I'm a little concerned about this update, as now my search of all of Ellen White's writings are only returning results from the updated resources instead of her complete writings. I did a simple test and searched for the word "Jesus" and it is not showing any results from Desire of Ages or Steps to Christ, which is obviously not correct.
Notice in my screenshot, I'm searching all her writings, but it says only 48 resources are turning up results. Although I'm excited about these new resources being updated, I'm a little worried about it crippling our search abilities in the meantime. Do you have any idea what's going on with this?
If this is just a temporary setback, that's understandable, but if it still isn't going to be until October (as you recently mentioned) until it's all done, then I would almost rather wait for a complete update all at once instead of a gradual update that disables search. I don't know, just thinking out loud here. If there's a quick fix then obviously that would be even better!
Either way I am still very appreciative for all that is being done for this exciting initiative!Martin Weber said:I finally have a definitive answer as to when the Ellen G. White Lifeworks will be completely interlinked and downloadable: unfortunately in October, five months from now.
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I cannot repeat your results.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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This is my collection rule: author:"white, ellen", subject:"ellen white writings"
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Tried Lynden Williams rule. Got 17733 articles in 363 resources. List did include DA, AA, GC, PP, PK .
Now how do I write a search string that finds the 39 resources that don't have the word 'Jesus' in them??
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Lynden Williams said:
I cannot repeat your results.
That's really strange. I don't know what's going on. I tried creating a new collection with your rule and the same exact thing is happening. Both of my EGW collections have 402 resources in them, but when I search them, only 48 resources return results, which suspiciously are only the updated resources.
I just now tried the "Rebuild Index" command to see if that might fix it, and so that's running now. Let's see if that works. I'm hoping!
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Tim check your search settings.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
Tim check your search settings.
Thanks for the suggestion, Lynden.
The rebuilding of my index finally finished and it looks like that fixed it! That was kinda weird but it looks like somehow my index got messed up with the update or something. I'm glad it's all back to normal and that it was a quick fix!
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I find it interesting that my Logos mobile app shows more updated books than my program on my desktop computer. I wonder why.
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Hi Lynden,
What is the command to show the history of downloaded resources? I had it working in Logos 4, but can't remember how to do it now.
Thanks!
Linden
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Linden said:
What is the command to show the history of downloaded resources?
If Lynden knows of a "command" then I'd like to know about that too.
The way I've been doing it is by going to my Library (Cmd + L on Mac, Ctrl + L on Windows) and sorting by the "Last Updated" column, which you may have to add first by right-clicking the column headers and selecting it from the list. I hope this helps.
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Linden, Tim's method is the only one that I can think of.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Is there any reason why the author's name does not seem to be shown on even the re-issued EGW works when seen in the library view? I am looking at Testimonies for the church. Some are re-issued and some the original but there is no author against any of them. It spoils basic collections which I have always solved with a Mytag of "EGW".
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I can confirm and have filed a bug. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/106448/736674.aspx#736674
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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I simply use "egw" and get 403 volumes in the collection. They use White, Ellen G.; and White, Ellen Gould; and I think I also saw White, E.G.. But all the Ellen White resources are tagged with "egw"; and "SDA". It seems like even the new resources are still tagged with "egw", so my collections didn't change.
I get 51,320 results for the word jesus in 18,115 articles and in 364 resources (in 0.11 sec)
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Does anyone know if we will be getting the paragraph numbers back, or are they gone forever? I really liked them for finding quotes. Especially for the longer articles like the ones in the Review articles where they go by date and not page. Try finding a quote with only the date, especially where the quote starts in the middle of the paragraph! You may have to read the entire article and make sure you don't get distracted with what you are reading while scanning the text for the quote.
** Paragraph marks are much needed!
{RH, June 4, 1914 par. 9}
Seems like they could have left them there and just made it so you could hide them. I think you can hide them in the EG White Estate CD in Folio.
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Should be:
As we near the time when principalities (…) Human effort must combine with divine power, that we may be able to accomplish the closing work for this time. {2SM 15.3} [[From the Folio version]]
Now is:
As we near the time when principalities (…) Human effort must combine with divine power, that we may be able to accomplish the closing work for this time. [[From the current Logos version updated June 4, 2015]]
Ellen Gould White, Selected Messages From the Writings of Ellen G. White, Book 2 (Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1958), 15
When one quotes these works the paragraph mark is EXPECTED.
Yes, if you have Logos or Folio you can search for the words.
But if you have a dead tree version with those references you can quickly find the reference.
However, with the references, if you have the Folio version you enter 2sm 15 into the book and page boxes and there you are.
- Why can we not do that in Logos?
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Lynden Williams said:
I can confirm and have filed a bug. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/106448/736674.aspx#736674
Thanks Lynden.
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Fred Littlefield said:
You may have to read the entire article and make sure you don't get distracted with what you are reading while scanning the text for the quote.
[:D] I know that so well - it does not get easier on the wrong side of 65 either!
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Today I tried to find a quote from {1SM 204.?} I cannot find the paragraph number anywhere.
This is a step backwards.
These are reference books as well as reading books. We must be able to determine the Page and Paragraph numbers. I can select the quote if I can find it in a search and paste it but no paragraph numbers.
Also I cannot turn on the page info in this volume, so the only way to know the page # is by looking at the top in the location box.
I like the extra tagging that Logos provided, but the reference marking is more important to me. This is almost unusable for us. I prefer what we had to this.
Not to be a complainer, but why take a step backwards with Logos? I'll have to go back to folio to make quotes from till this is fixed.
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All of this should be fixed in the impending release of the recompiled/fully tagged and paginated Lifeworks of EGW. Meanwhile, my apologies for all these difficulties. I'm pursuing this as vigorously as I can. Right now the release date for the update is October. I'm hoping for somewhat sooner than that.
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Thanks for your efforts.
Don't forget to ask/require the Paragraph info as well. This is VERY important to the use of the EG White writings as you know when writing sermons and papers and books and taking notes.
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Fred Littlefield said:
Also I cannot turn on the page info in this volume, so the only way to know the page # is by looking at the top in the location box.
Actually, Fred, you can add page numbers still in Logos 6 (just not on mobile). Here's how to do it. Select the visual filters icon (the three dots in a triangle pattern), and then select the option that says, "Show page numbers." Notice the orange page marker that shows up in the content with it turned on. Still no paragraphs though, which I agree is needed. Thanks for working on this, Martin!
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Fred, the best Logos can do is provide pagination, just as the books themselves are paginated as published by the White Estate and printed by our publishing houses. Pagination is what was requested by my contact at the Biblical Research Institute, and Logos it will get done.
In pursuit of my graduate degrees I’ve never been required to use paragraph numbers for EGW quotations. Nor are these normally cited in sermons, oral or published. Anyone who does need paragraph numbering can consult the White Estate website.
Finally, paragraph numbering would put an excessive burden on the already enormous cost of this massive project. Since all of us who are previous owners will get the interlinked recompilation free of charge, I hope you can consider this a good deal.
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Martin Weber said:
Fred, the best Logos can do is provide pagination, just as the books themselves are paginated as published by the White Estate and printed by our publishing houses. Pagination is what was requested by my contact at the Biblical Research Institute, and Logos it will get done.
In pursuit of my graduate degrees I’ve never been required to use paragraph numbers for EGW quotations. Nor are these normally cited in sermons, oral or published. Anyone who does need paragraph numbering can consult the White Estate website.
Finally, paragraph numbering would put an excessive burden on the already enormous cost of this massive project. Since all of us who are previous owners will get the interlinked recompilation free of charge, I hope you can consider this a good deal.
You know, I suppose that is still pretty reasonable. After all it's really not that complicated to figure out what paragraph number a certain sentence is in. For example, compare these two screenshots, one is from Logos, the other is from the traditional EGW Folio Views software. It's really not that complicated to figure out the paragraphs as long as you have the page markers.
Folio Views:
Logos 6:
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Martin is right. Adding page numbers to Ellen White's books, the way all Logos resources with page numbers are handled, is the right way to go.
We don't need paragraph numbers. That is just an unnecessary set of data that would have to be included in the text itself, and we would all need to manually delete brackets with paragraph numbers when copying and pasting a quotation into a document.
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Reimar Vetne said:
Martin is right. Adding page numbers to Ellen White's books, the way all Logos resources with page numbers are handled, is the right way to go.
We don't need paragraph numbers. That is just an unnecessary set of data that would have to be included in the text itself, and we would all need to manually delete brackets with paragraph numbers when copying and pasting a quotation into a document.
Yes, we do need the paragraph numbers. That is the STANDARD way of referencing the works of EGW in the SDA world.
And they were included in the text files before Faithlife removed them. [have not seen the files that Faithlife received but they are expected and also printed in all of the dead tree copies]
No, we would not need to delete them as all EGW scholars are expecting them. Example:
In the beginning, God was revealed in all the works of creation. It was Christ that spread the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth. It was His hand that hung the worlds in space, and fashioned the flowers of the field. "His strength setteth fast the mountains." "The sea is His, and He made it." Ps. 65:6; 95:5. It was He that filled the earth with beauty, and the air with song. And upon all things in earth, and air, and sky, He wrote the message of the Father’s love. {DA 20.1}
Ellen Gould White, The Desire of Ages, vol. 3, Conflict of the Ages Series (Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1898), 20.
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David Ames said:
Yes, we do need the paragraph numbers.
I'll admit, I would like the paragraph numbers too, but... is what you say true? Do we really NEED them?
Would they be nice? Of course, but are they NECESSARY? I don't think so. The print versions of her writings don't have paragraph numbers on them. The paragraph numbers are only an added bonus that some pieces of software (Like Folio Views) have added, but before that, people got along just fine without paragraph numbers, and people who only use her print books still get along just fine without paragraph numbers too. Paragraph numbers are a luxury, a non-essential convenience.
I would like them, but with everything that Logos has done already for the SDA community, I'll choose to look at this cup as half full (at least half full) for sure.
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Martin Weber said:
Finally, paragraph numbering would put an excessive burden on the already enormous cost of this massive project.
Please check the original unedited files that were received by Faithlife.
I would expect that they were all marked like {DA 20.1}
and expect that someone at Faithlife entered the editing command: replace { to } with ' ' to get rid of them.
This is NOT something that Faithlife has to do. It is MAYBE already done in your received unedited files. [[EDIT: Maybe added after reading other posts]]
Adding a command to goto DA 20.1 would be "enormous cost" But the functionality is already in Logos.
as in: Open the book. Search for "{DA 20.1}" in All Open Resources.
[[except that searches looking for '{' don't seem to work But "DA 20.1" does. Assuming that the curly brackets are used for advance searches or something]]
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Tim Taylor said:
The print versions of her writings don't have paragraph numbers on them.
A copy, not printed by the 'official' SDA printers that I pulled off the shelf has them. But official copies on my shelf do not.
Tim Taylor said:
I would like them, but with everything that Logos has done already for the SDA community, I'll choose to look at this cup as half full (at least half full) for sure.
Agree - if we can not have them we can live without them. Or use another version to copy and paste after doing all the research in Logos.
But I still would like to know if they were in the files sent to Faithlife.
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David Ames said:
But I still would like to know if they were in the files sent to Faithlife.
Checked http://www.whiteestate.org/ Their online books do not have the page number paragraph marks
[[Yes, shooting down my own theory - wanted to beet the rest of you [:S]]]
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I will accept what I can get, but I have to respectfully disagree on the paragraph numbers. I constantly see paragraph numbers being quoted in sermons in PowerPoint, and in YouTube videos and even publications, (but not as often in publications). The difficult ones to accept with no paragraph markings are the Periodicals when a periodical is quoted it can have 20 or more paragraphs (Average of 11) in it and the quote can be difficult to find except for by searching for a phrase, which some times gets verbally repeated a little different than the original. I agree that for official Reference Work and Quotations they are not required, but we (as a church) are used to them and use and rely on them frequently, and in the modern electronic EG White age it is the norm.
I realize that we may not ever get them back, but they are already there in the old writings, can't they be left there and hidden by an option check box. In EG White Estate, folio they can be toggled on or off by a option in the View menu called "Hidden".
I may be one of the few that wants this, but I would be willing to spend some extra money to get them back, and think there are others that would as well, even if I had to add an extra $100.00 to the cost of the original works.
These writings are the inspiration of God and great blessings will result for Logos by helping His people study them with efficiency. God Bless Logos.
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David Ames - That is because they turn them off on the server with the option in the View menu called "Hidden".
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