Lexham Press sale, no sale discount with dynamic
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Something strange is happening to the Lexham Press sale prices. My discounted prices have more than doubled since yesterday. Should have bought them yesterday I guess!
Eg Preaching and Teaching bundle was $36 for me yesterday but $86 today. Looks like the 60% discount has been lost.
Jim
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The prices I'm shown have increased as well - no longer discounting after calculating Dynamic Pricing.
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I wonder if it is yet another Marketing department lack of integrity?
Most of the bundles show no discount ... this one would have a 60% discount of 384.17 off the full price ... but I already own £337.83 so they have simply taken what I own off the 60% discount ... Result I have a 60% discount paid for by me!!! (384.17-337.83 gives 46.34!)
My effective discount is 46.34 out of 302.45 new to me ... 15% ...
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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They were having problems with the code that determines pricing calculations lately. Call sales to be sure.
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The mathmatics just doesn't had up as it cheaper to buy my remaining book separately than in the bundle! This imbalance is also in the other bundles.
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Martin Folley said:
I wonder if it is yet another Marketing department lack of integrity?
Martin, that's a strong statement but I have always seen FL respond when "errors/mistakes/bugs" have been pointed out. Wait and see as it is always fixed.
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I am learning to wait till about the 3rd or 4th day to see if all pricing stabilizes.
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Lynden Williams said:
They were having problems with the code that determines pricing calculations lately. Call sales to be sure.
They wouldn't have problems with it if they stopped messing with it (and perhaps started adding features many have asked for, like "New to You" on all bundles, not just base packages). After looking at a couple of these sales, I can see what they're trying to do.
First, I'm having the same issue as mike regarding the OT bundle.
No sale beyond dynamic pricing. Not really a sale, but it may be that their pricing program is broken.
I'm also seeing the same thing as Martin Folley on the Preaching and Teaching bundle:
What they're doing is using dynamic pricing against us in the sale. The more resources you already own in the bundle, the lower your actual effective sale price is. For me here, I get $154.33 off, but it's really off of $554.32, because I already own $445.67 of this bundle. That's a 27.8% discount. Martin Folley is actually getting a 15.3% discount. Doesn't seem fair to him as he's invested more in these products and gets less to show for it (i.e. he and I would pay the same amount of total dollars, and he'd get fewer resources from the bundle).
Now, a discount is a discount, and I'm grateful when I can purchase things that I'm interested in at less than full price, and perhaps this isn't what they intended. But based on the verbiage and the 60% "target" discount, I anticipate that this is exactly what they wanted to do.
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Do any of you get academic discounts? Because what you describe looks like how the academic discounts work (one sees the cheaper of dynamic price or academic discount price, but they don't stack up). If not, maybe that's the error because normally they don't use it like this - and for Lexham-published resources it can't be the bad contract they got from a large global publisher.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
Do any of you get academic discounts?
I do not; I've never been a part of the academic pricing program.
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I am not part of the academic pricing program either.
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William Gabriel said:
I'm also seeing the same thing as Martin Folley on the Preaching and Teaching bundle:
Below is screen shot of my Preaching and Teaching bundle custom discount. Just like Martin Folley and William Gabriel's, it appears the modus operandi is to extract another $399.99 or in an equivalent currency irrespective of how much products in pricing you have already own.
If that is the pricing model, to stretch the illustration, hypothetically if one owns products priced at a mere $10.00, then do you still ends up paying $399.99 for the rest of the bundle ? Surely not, I hope, otherwise where is equity or logic. [:^)]
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Anyone know when this sales ends?
Thinking of getting the EEC have the 8 vols. --- But its hard to invest in something thats many hundreds of dollars and you dont actually get any of it now.
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William Gabriel said:
What they're doing is using dynamic pricing against us in the sale. The more resources you already own in the bundle, the lower your actual effective sale price is.
You are correct! They are punishing those who already bought Lexham resources. You only get the full 60% off if you have not purchased any of the resources. The more you own, the lower your sale discount
Whether it is intentional or a coding error, it is very bad practice.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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There was some very strange pricing on products too... for example, the Discourse Hebrew Bible (6 vol.) by itself was about $180, but $30 cheaper if I bought the Greek & Hebrew Bible (12 vol.) where I already own the Greek.
Same thing with one of the volumes in the full Greek discourse bundle. I didn't have one of the books in it, but it was cheaper to get the bundle than the individual volume. You'd think they'd be the same price in or out of the bundle.
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I think the Lexham discount issue might be intentional because I was getting the correct sales discount taking into account dynamic pricing yesterday, but all my prices have gone up 60% today. So looks like a manual intervention overnight.
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I think it is an error as the first three titles do not show a dynamic price for me whereas the final two do:
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Jim Snowden said:
I think the Lexham discount issue might be intentional
BriM said:I think it is an error
Intentional or not, I am not buying from the Lexham sale unless it gets fixed.
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Hi All, thanks for bringing this up. Yes, we did have a misconfigured discount. Try it again now.
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Glenn Airoldi said:
Hi All, thanks for bringing this up. Yes, we did have a misconfigured discount. Try it again now.
That's a relief. Thank you--prices are far more attractive.
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Thanks and I did not have to wait 3 or 4 days to spend more money.
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Glenn Airoldi said:
Hi All, thanks for bringing this up. Yes, we did have a misconfigured discount. Try it again now.
Does dynamic pricing take into account the resources we have purchased in other packages which have not be published yet? Such as the Lexham Methods books.
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Maybe it is still a little weird but then some of this may be the end result that is desired. Dynamic pricing all looks good here.
I add it to my cart
It goes up a small bit. I removed it. Wanted to see how things look if I buy a Base Package. Looked real good cause the extra %15 off was showing on the listing page. Frankly I did not expect to see that and I suspect you do not want that but maybe you do. If so it does not work.
I clicked on the Add to Cart button provided and what do I see
The original dynamic price shows up. I will hold off and see if it all get settled.
By the way, with the way it shows up now
which I would buy for that but in the cart it is
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Keith Larson said:Glenn Airoldi said:
Hi All, thanks for bringing this up. Yes, we did have a misconfigured discount. Try it again now.
Does dynamic pricing take into account the resources we have purchased in other packages which have not be published yet? Such as the Lexham Methods books.
It'll take into consideration the ownership of any license included in the target collection, regardless of whether the resource has been finished and shipped or not.
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Glenn Airoldi said:
Hi All, thanks for bringing this up. Yes, we did have a misconfigured discount. Try it again now.
What if we already purchased???
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How does one construe "Price of Products You Own" ?
Is that the regular price posted by Faithlife before all forms of discounts, or is that the accumulative price (with all attributable discounts) paid by you for all the relevant products owned over the period of time ?
It would be more relevant to know the "effective" savings by what you have already paid plus what you will be paying against the full regular price.
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Alan said:
How does one construe "Price of Products You Own" ?
This illustration might help.
- Imagine a product that bundles ten resources and sells for $250.
- Five of the resources are valued at $20, three at $40 and one at $100. The total value of the bundle is therefore $340.
- You already own two of the $20 resources, one of the $40 resources, and the $100 resource. The total value of what you already own is $180.
- You therefore own 53% of the bundle (180/340).
- You therefore receive a 53% discount on the bundle price of $250. So you pay $117.65 for the bundle.
When working out your discount, it doesn't matter what you paid for the resources you already owned. You may have even picked them up free. All that matters is what Faithlife value them at. That value is the usual price the product sells for.
It would be impossible for Logos to keep track of what you have already paid for the resources you already own. You might have picked one up on a freebie, bought another a full price, and got one more as part of a base package, and a fourth as part of a 20 volume community pricing deal. Who knows what you actually paid for those four resources?
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Mark Barnes said:
When working out your discount, it doesn't matter what you paid for the resources you already owned. You may have even picked them up free. All that matters is what Faithlife value them at. That value is the usual price the product sells for.
It would be impossible for Logos to keep track of what you have already paid for the resources you already own. You might have picked one up on a freebie, bought another a full price, and got one more as part of a base package, and a fourth as part of a 20 volume community pricing deal. Who knows what you actually paid for those four resources?
Mark, thank you for the very clear explanations. [Y]
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This has been an extremely valuable thread for me. I wasn't aware of the ? next to Dynamic Price. Opening that up has allowed me to more accurately evaluate sale prices. I was able to determine that Parallel Passages Collection discount was 100% because of owned products, no sale discount at all. Scripture Notes (64 vols) was 100% because of sale discount. I'm going to pick it up. I evaluated 6 Lexham Press Summer Sale products that were advertised as 66%, 83%, 83%, 56%, 78% and 93% off. The actual discount to me because of the sale is 45%, 40%, 30%, 25%, 60%, and 40%. Still a nice sale discount. I'll use it when evaluating additional resources. Dale
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Alan said:Mark Barnes said:
When working out your discount, it doesn't matter what you paid for the resources you already owned. You may have even picked them up free. All that matters is what Faithlife value them at. That value is the usual price the product sells for.
It would be impossible for Logos to keep track of what you have already paid for the resources you already own. You might have picked one up on a freebie, bought another a full price, and got one more as part of a base package, and a fourth as part of a 20 volume community pricing deal. Who knows what you actually paid for those four resources?
Mark, thank you for the very clear explanations.
It's as clear as mud when they don't show you what you already own and what you will get new. I'm not buying any bundles until they provide this feature as it's too much work to figure out every time they have a sale on something and they are continuously making up new bundles.
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