This is a public domain book. On Amazon for .99. $35 on Logos? What is up with that?
https://www.logos.com/product/1724/the-existence-and-attributes-of-god
You want to talk about expensive... check out some of the Brill pre-pubs!
https://www.logos.com/product/53612/septuagint-commentary-series ($136 per volume; $0.42 per page)
https://www.logos.com/product/53609/brill-greek-reference-collection ($251 per volume; $0.34 per page)
https://www.logos.com/product/53610/brill-hebrew-reference-collection ($219 per volume; $0.32 per page)
https://www.logos.com/product/53611/etymological-dictionary-of-latin-and-the-other-italic-languages ($263 per volume; $0.32 per page)
Of course, this is characteristic of a Brill Publication. But still... [:|]
I too have have often wondered at the large expense of public domain works (Classic Series...).
This is a public domain book. On Amazon for .99. $35 on Logos? What is up with that? https://www.logos.com/product/1724/the-existence-and-attributes-of-god
Same answer as always ... it depends upon the availability and quality of an electronic version for which Logos can obtain the rights and/or the difficulty of scanning/OCR for a high quality electronic version, the degree to which references will convert via automated means vs. manual tagging. .... in short the same general answer as for the last decade. As for a specific answer regarding whether the Amazon version is being produced by one of the non-profit groups converting old books, what Logos has legal access to, etc. and we don't know.
You either get them on CP or in a Base Package, otherwise just read it online or pay an arm and a leg.
Brill may be and arm and a leg ... and a bit of the forearm but $35 is 2 1/3 hours work at minimum wage here.
$35 is 2 1/3 hours work at minimum wage here.
4.29 hours of work at minimum wage here in Michigan.
This is a perennial peeve with me. CP ensures FL will sell enough copies to pay for production, I am not sure what this CP was but lets say $10 I can see raising the price to $15... but $35 really...
Gill is a great example I know the CP pricing was $40 US now the pricing is $299.95.... I am thankful I got it at $40 but I would never have even considered purchasing it at $300...
I believe FL has a right to make money but these "classic" works are virtual 100% gravy (yes there is server hosting costs and cost of doing corrections). I also believe there is an added value in having a work integrated into Logos. That said the price of the classics seem out of line to me. To use Gill as a continuing example I think the collection is still a good value at $100 but getting over that it ends up giving me serious pause.
If FL was publishing hard copies these prices would be logical but this is not the case the only thing i can think is by having classic works priced high there is more likely to purchase a modern work, but since this is going to give them less over all product it makes no sense.
-Dan
PS: Exploring the Attributes of God: An Apologetic for the Biblical Doctrines of God for $11 makes for a more attractive option in my mind.
I too have have often wondered at the large expense of public domain works (Classic Series...). This is a perennial peeve with me. CP ensures FL will sell enough copies to pay for production, I am not sure what this CP was but lets say $10 I can see raising the price to $15... but $35 really... Gill is a great example I know the CP pricing was $40 US now the pricing is $299.95.... I am thankful I got it at $40 but I would never have even considered purchasing it at $300... I believe FL has a right to make money but these "classic" works are virtual 100% gravy (yes there is server hosting costs and cost of doing corrections). I also believe there is an added value in having a work integrated into Logos. That said the price of the classics seem out of line to me. To use Gill as a continuing example I think the collection is still a good value at $100 but getting over that it ends up giving me serious pause. If FL was publishing hard copies these prices would be logical but this is not the case the only thing i can think is by having classic works priced high there is more likely to purchase a modern work, but since this is going to give them less over all product it makes no sense. -Dan
This is exactly my thought. We have many unkowns, however, again using Gill, the jump just seems astronomical. I got what I wanted of the Classic Series in CP, but I don't see how they would be profitable. Nearly all is available in public domain, one way or another. So all one is really paying for is integration into Logos, and for a steep price. As a student of Gill, I am very glad to have his works. However if I just showed up to the party today, I would have to be a doctoral student, specializing in Gill, for me to think about purchasing them.
You either get them on CP or in a Base Package, otherwise just read it online or pay an arm and a leg. Brill may be and arm and a leg ... and a bit of the forearm but $35 is 2 1/3 hours work at minimum wage here.
I can't imagine very many people making minimum wage are paying $35 for that book.
Realistically, if enough people are willing to pay the price, why not? Logos is for-profit, if the greatest profit turns out to be $100, why now? I won't buy of course, but a lot of people might love the thrill of owning expensive ebooks.
Some "classics" such as Gill may soon appear fluffing up a base package at a much lower price. Get it then.
That is a book I will read, but the tagging is not worth the $34 difference to me. One can read it in Kindle, or even make a personal book out of it. I would pay a little more for Logos tagging, but not anything near $34. And I do make a little better than minimum wage.
I have no problem with those who will pay it. That is great. But I will get almost as much benefit just reading the .99 version.
Gill is a part of Baptist Platinum and higher. That is the reason it went into production. It seems there were enough people who purchased that package or Faithlife felt it was time to give those people what they had paid for.
Having a resource in Logos is almost always preferable, but sometimes I just don't care. If it's something needful, having it in Logos is invaluable.
If you want something in public domain in Logos and it's expensive, check with your rep. There's a whole measure of flexibility for stuff like that. Yes it will be more than Kindle, but there's latitude. Best way otherwise is to find a package it's in and get it with some other good books.
I have a few questions if you wouldn't mind indulging my ignorance.
1. What does CP mean?
2. What does FL mean? (I assume Faithlife, but we all know what assuming does..)
3. Is there a way to take a hard copy book, or even easier, an iBook or Kindle book and add it to my Logos Library?
4. If so, could someone please direct me to some good instructions?
5. Does the Camp Logos videos show these kinds of things and, in your opinion is the Camp Logos worth the money?
Thank you all!
CP is Community Pricing - an outline of this is at https://www.logos.com/communitypricing/about
Yes - a number of people are using "FL" as an abbreviation of Faithlife
You can take books in .docx format and compile then into your Logos library using the Personal Builder tool. An outline of this is available at https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books. Some people have scanned hard copy books into this format, others have used tools to convert from different ebook formats into .docx. There are a range of discussions of this on the forums - but legal and copyright issues need to be understood which vary from country to country
Thank you very much for answering all of my questions!
The cost of anything Brill is ridiculous- MHO.
Gill is a great example I know the CP pricing was $35 US now the pricing is $299.95.... I am thankful I got it at $40 but I would never have even considered purchasing it at $300... I believe FL has a right to make money but these "classic" works are virtual 100% gravy (yes there is server hosting costs and cost of doing corrections). -Dan
Gill is a great example I know the CP pricing was $35 US now the pricing is $299.95.... I am thankful I got it at $40 but I would never have even considered purchasing it at $300...
I believe FL has a right to make money but these "classic" works are virtual 100% gravy (yes there is server hosting costs and cost of doing corrections).
I wonder if they wouldn't make more money the Walmart way--on volume. Whatever else is true, the optics of selling a book for $30 that sells elsewhere for .99 are not so good.
make more money the Walmart way--on volume
Also less choice, lower quality..
Whatever else is true, the optics of selling a book for $30 that sells elsewhere for .99 are not so good.
$30 for this volume is ridiculous... but it isn't fair to say "sells elsewhere for .99." If it was sold elsewhere for .99, buy it there! Of course, that isn't what you want. You want the version that integrates into your Logos library, which you CAN'T buy elsewhere.
I wonder if they wouldn't make more money the Walmart way--on volume.
There is a problem with that theory. When Wal*Mart sells the ketchup bottle for .99, they have strong armed the distributors, optimized inventory and logistics, hired employees at low wages, etc. Furthermore, they have VOLUME in traffic. When the "mom and pop" grocery store tries to sell the ketchup bottle for .99, they lose money. The more "volume" they have, the more they lose.
Yeah, but that's just one person buying it. If only 20 people purchased it at $35, that's $700, which is 46 2/3 hours work. I don't think it would take that long, lol. And I bet more than 20 people will buy it too! It's all about the profit.
And I bet more than 20 people will buy it too! It's all about the profit.
No it is virtually all profit at sale one at $35 because FL makes no CP items till they have enough CP orders to cover the production costs. I am not trying to suggest FL should be selling it at bargain basement prices but even at double CP price they are still making a decent profit, since it is all profit at that point and still offers a great incentive for people to try to get it at CP pricing.
Now $79.99.
