Can we get the ESV Global Study Bible free in Logos? - Docx Link removed
Concerning the thread of the same title, I have removed the docx file conversion that I shared through Dropbox. The thread is locked, so I could not reply there.
This copyright stuff is a tricky matter, so please forgive me for breaking the rules. My thoughts were that a resource that is freely offered by the publisher could be posted in a converted format (in this case, docx) as long as it is posted in it's entirety unmodified.
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
have removed the docx file conversion that I shared through Dropbox.
I, too, have done the same.
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Yeh, and it is different depending on the country where one is which does not help either.
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
My thoughts were that a resource that is freely offered by the publisher could be posted in a converted format (in this case, docx) as long as it is posted in it's entirety unmodified.
They own it, so they can do what they want with it. You don't, so you can't.
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Robert M. Warren said:Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
have removed the docx file conversion that I shared through Dropbox.
I, too, have done the same.
I don't believe that there were many that shared on Dropbox, so most of the copies are probably gone. Things like this can replicate like a virus if not addressed early.
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JohnB said:
Yeh, and it is different depending on the country where one is which does not help either.
It's too critical and technical for the average person to be interested in reading any of it beyond the 1st paragraph (if they/we/I get that far).
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fgh said:Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
My thoughts were that a resource that is freely offered by the publisher could be posted in a converted format (in this case, docx) as long as it is posted in it's entirety unmodified.
They own it, so they can do what they want with it. You don't, so you can't.
I will try to be a little more energized in reading the fine print of some of those documents. If the publishers would write a simple statement such as you have, everyone would probably read and understand it, but the statements that they write will have most people falling asleep after the 1st line. My opinion. [:)]
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I see the kindle versIon is free but the OT version is still for sale at $29.99. If Logos had this title I could see the point of inquiring but as FL does not produce products generally unless production costs are covered and at $0 per copy costs can never be recovered I would guess the answer would logically be NO. That said FL has been magnanimous giving away several Lexham products like FL study Bible, LEB, Lexham Bible dictionary, Connect the testaments devotional and of course the Perseus Library. So there is some president, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Dan
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Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
My thoughts were that a resource that is freely offered by the publisher could be posted in a converted format (in this case, docx) as long as it is posted in it's entirety unmodified.
Yes, these were my thoughts too. I didn't intend to break any rules either.
For me that's not the point though. I find it interesting (and disappointing) that the only response we've seen from Faithlife on this is shutting our thread down. lol. How about a response to the question?
Dan Francis said:If Logos had this title I could see the point of inquiring but as FL does not produce products generally unless production costs are covered and at $0 per copy costs can never be recovered I would guess the answer would logically be NO.
Yeah but I've heard them talk about their engine that can convert EPUB files or whatnot. They should be able to easily convert this into a Vyrso book at a minimum. If we can convert it to a personal book easily, they can convert it to a Vyrso book easily. That should be a non-issue. Even if it was an issue, however, they could just throw it on community pricing until enough of us pledge to cover the production cost of them spending the few minutes to convert it from EPUB. If they want to convert it to Logos format that's an extra bonus and I'm sure that could be easily funded in community pricing as well. I'd rather pay $5 to fund a community pricing conversion of an already existing and easily available eBook than $50 for the only other alternative at this point.
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Tim Taylor said:
I'd rather pay $5 to fund a community pricing conversion of an already existing and easily available eBook than $50 for the only other alternative at this point.
Does that in itself not answer your question? Community pricing = $0 for FL.
Tim Taylor said:For me that's not the point though. I find it interesting (and disappointing) that the only response we've seen from Faithlife on this is shutting our thread down. lol. How about a response to the question?
I don't believe anyone here meant to do wrong, but this isn't even close to being ok. You don't own the resource. You have not received permission. It doesn't matter if the resource was given away for free, they still own the rights to it. If you feel strongly about it, write the publisher and ask for permission and explain clearly what you intend to do with the files. Even still, FL would probably not want you posting the file for reasons stated above.
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Dan Francis said:
I see the kindle versIon is free but the OT version is still for sale at $29.99. If Logos had this title I could see the point of inquiring but as FL does not produce products generally unless production costs are covered and at $0 per copy costs can never be recovered I would guess the answer would logically be NO. That said FL has been magnanimous giving away several Lexham products like FL study Bible, LEB, Lexham Bible dictionary, Connect the testaments devotional and of course the Perseus Library. So there is some president, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Dan
Yes, it is available in Kindle format. [:)]
Actually I am quite happy with the ESVSB in Logos, and don't see any reason to have the Global Study Bible version. I would bid a few dollars to have that in Logos just to help others who may want it.
Faithlife is very generous in giving away resources for free (or low cost), and I really appreciate that. The LBD is what I would call a top of the line, high quality, dynamic resource.
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Tim Taylor said:Erwin Stull, Sr. said:
My thoughts were that a resource that is freely offered by the publisher could be posted in a converted format (in this case, docx) as long as it is posted in it's entirety unmodified.
Yes, these were my thoughts too. I didn't intend to break any rules either.
For me that's not the point though. I find it interesting (and disappointing) that the only response we've seen from Faithlife on this is shutting our thread down. lol. How about a response to the question?
Dan Francis said:If Logos had this title I could see the point of inquiring but as FL does not produce products generally unless production costs are covered and at $0 per copy costs can never be recovered I would guess the answer would logically be NO.
Yeah but I've heard them talk about their engine that can convert EPUB files or whatnot. They should be able to easily convert this into a Vyrso book at a minimum. If we can convert it to a personal book easily, they can convert it to a Vyrso book easily. That should be a non-issue. Even if it was an issue, however, they could just throw it on community pricing until enough of us pledge to cover the production cost of them spending the few minutes to convert it from EPUB. If they want to convert it to Logos format that's an extra bonus and I'm sure that could be easily funded in community pricing as well. I'd rather pay $5 to fund a community pricing conversion of an already existing and easily available eBook than $50 for the only other alternative at this point.
I have reached out to Jacob through Faithlife messages, but did not get a response yet (it may be too soon to expect one). I think it was a mistake to lock the thread as opposed to just removing the links, but that was the call. The few involved in posting the links (myself included) pretty much got the idea that it was beginning to cause some issues.
Here is my message:
"Hi Jacob; Concerning this thread https://community.logos.com/forums/p/117147/771322.aspx#7713... . I guess the more important question is "How are the rules being broken?". I would like to understand this, as I am sure I have broken this rule in the past unknowingly. The resource in question is one that is freely offered for free. My intention was to help others by converting the file to a docx which could be turned into a PB. I guess I'm not understanding how the copywrite works. Thanks, and BTW, I was going to respond to the post but it was locked.".
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alabama24 said:
I don't believe anyone here meant to do wrong, but this isn't even close to being ok. You don't own the resource. You have not received permission. It doesn't matter if the resource was given away for free, they still own the rights to it. If you feel strongly about it, write the publisher and ask for permission and explain clearly what you intend to do with the files. Even still, FL would probably not want you posting the file for reasons stated above.
Yeah yeah, that's fine. No problems there. This is off topic though. The topic is a question about this resource coming to Faithlife. Let's stay on topic please.
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alabama24 said:
Does that in itself not answer your question? Community pricing = $0 for FL.
No, it does not answer the question. If the costs are covered, Faithlife only has something to gain by adding this resource. Sure they may not profit on it financially with this resource itself, but this will add a valuable resource along with the LBD, Faithlife Study Bible, etc. that will make Faithlife more attractive even to those who can't afford to buy a base package right away.
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The initial issue has been resolved (THIS TIME) by the removal of the links, locking of the post, and pretty much everyone voluntarily deleting their Dropbox shares to the file.The issue is destined to resurface again at some point in the future; primarily due to unclear and/or not easily accessible copyright information. One thing that is clear (and I am not sure it is clearly understood by everyone) is that a resource which is being sold AND not freely given away, that resource can not legally be copied and redistributed or sold.
Until next time (which may be minutes away), the issue has been cleared.
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Tim Taylor said:
Yeah yeah, that's fine. No problems there. This is off topic though. The topic is a question about this resource coming to Faithlife
Sorry, I misunderstood you. However... This is what you were responding to:
Erwin Stull, Sr. said:My thoughts were that a resource that is freely offered by the publisher could be posted in a converted format (in this case, docx) as long as it is posted in it's entirety unmodified.
So you can see how I was confused about the "question" FL wasn't responding to. [;)]
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alabama24 said:Tim Taylor said:
Yeah yeah, that's fine. No problems there. This is off topic though. The topic is a question about this resource coming to Faithlife
Sorry, I misunderstood you. However... This is what you were responding to:
Erwin Stull, Sr. said:My thoughts were that a resource that is freely offered by the publisher could be posted in a converted format (in this case, docx) as long as it is posted in it's entirety unmodified.
So you can see how I was confused about the "question" FL wasn't responding to.
The original post (Can we get the ESV Global Study Bible free in Logos?) was a question about bring this resource to Logos, however, this post was intended to be a response to the last entry/reply in that post (made by Jacob). The response could not be made, due to the thread being locked, so I created a new post (this one) of the same title with the amendment of " - Docx Link Removed" to differentiate between the two.
This post was meant for nothing more than to enter a response to Jacob's entry on the original post. It probably would be in order, to create a new post to discuss bringing the ESVGSB into Logos. Of course, excluding any file attachments and links to docx conversions.
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