Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond

I am looking at upgrading to either Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond. Both have products that are appealing. The biggest advantage to the Standard package that I can see is that it has the journals. How helpful have the journals been in your studies? The value of books I do not have is Standard $11,668 and the Reformed is $13,742. What are your thoughts regarding these two base packages?

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Mark Barnes

I am looking at upgrading to either Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond. Both have products that are appealing. The biggest advantage to the Standard package that I can see is that it has the journals. How helpful have the journals been in your studies? The value of books I do not have is Standard $11,668 and the Reformed is $13,742. What are your thoughts regarding these two base packages?

You don't say what you're upgrading from, which actually makes quite a difference. Because you only pay for what's new, some of what's best in these two packages might be things you already have.

You can read my verdict on all the Diamond packages here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/117317.aspx. It focusses very much on those resources which are new at the Diamond level. If you're coming from Gold, for example, you should read the Platinum comparison too.

As for the journals in Standard Diamond. JBL and Themelios are certainly worth having, but you might already have the latter (it's in Gold). Biblical Archaeologist/Near Eastern Archaeology is also valuable if you're into archaeology.

Finally, people are often better off buying a few 'lower' base packages than one bigger package. Have you considered that possibility? It's hard to price up, but you can ask a sales person to do that for you.

Lee

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790676#Comment_790676

Michael one other thing to think of is if you like the Journals. You could get the Masters Journal Bundle. I got back when they were on sale. It added almost 1,500 journals, I have a total of 1,808 Journals.

NB.Mick

I am looking at upgrading to either Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond. Both have products that are appealing. The biggest advantage to the Standard package that I can see is that it has the journals. How helpful have the journals been in your studies? The value of books I do not have is Standard $11,668 and the Reformed is $13,742. What are your thoughts regarding these two base packages?

In addition to Mark's excellent advice, you should focus your decision on what's new to you in both products. There may be some overlap. Also, the products you are interested in might be available in a lower package, which gets very cheap in dynamic price (example: maybe you're upgrading from Standard Platinum to Standard Diamond. What interests you most about the resources you don't get with this upgrade may already be in Reformed Silver or Gold, which might be just a couple of dollars dynamic price. Or these resources might be in a bundle you can buy with additional discount when you have a base package in your cart.

Michael Kinch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790676#Comment_790676

Thanks Mark, I have Logos 5 Platinum and Logos 6 Chaplain. I have compiled an excell spreadsheet listing what is new to to me. I am a SDA and have many of the SDA products but will update to SDA Platinum at the same time. The journals In Standard Diamond that I do not have are:

Journals and Magazines
Ashland Theological Journal (37 vols.)	$114.95
Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues)	$153.94
Bulletin for Biblical Research (vols. 1-18)	$319.95
Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.)	$219.95
Christian History & Biography Magazine (issues 1–99)	$149.95
Conspectus: Journal of the South African Theological Seminary (4 vols.)	$16.95
Critical Review of Books in Religion (1988–1998)	$129.95
Journal of Biblical and Pneumatological Research (2009–2012) (4 vols.)	$75.95
Journal of Discipleship & Family Ministry (2 vols.)	$44.95
Maranatha Baptist Theological Journal (2 vols.)	$8.95
Near East Archaeological Society Bulletin (1958–2013) (60 issues)	$74.95
Puritan Reformed Journal (1-3 vols.)	$12.95
The Journal of Biblical Literature (26 vols.)	$299.95
The Review of Biblical Literature Collection (9 vols.)	$199.95

I am leaning toward the Reformed Package but the Journals do look interesting.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790680#Comment_790680

I am leaning toward the Reformed Package but the Journals do look interesting.

What's valuable to you in the Reformed package?

Michael Kinch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790738#Comment_790738

Mostly it is the collected works and the theology products. Here is a list of the things I would find valuable.

Concise Bible Commentaries
Exegetical Summaries Series (27 vols.)	83.77
Sheffield / T&T Clark Bible Guides Collection (44 vols.)	262.95
Welwyn Commentary Series (53 vols.)	724.95
Critical/Exegetical Commentaries
The New International Greek Testament Commentary (13 vols.)	599.95
Classic Bible Commentaries
A Commentary on the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica (4 vols.)	69.95
Frédéric Louis Godet Commentary Collection (16 vols.)	153.36
Reformation Commentary on Scripture (3 vols.)	99.95
Devotional/Practical Bible Commentaries
Focus on the Bible Commentaries (41 vols.)	409.95
John: The Gospel of Belief	17.95
Westminster Bible Companion Series (33 vols.)	399.95
Expositional/Preaching Commentaries
A Commentary on the Epistle to the Hebrews	49.95
Evangelical Press Study Commentary (22 vols.)	299.95
Mentor Commentary Series (16 vols.)	326.23
Pillar New Testament Commentary (PNTC) (15 vols.)	487.70
The Book of Isaiah (3 vols.)	35.99
The Epistle to the Romans (2 vols.)	39.96
The Lectionary Commentary: Theological Exegesis for Sunday's Texts (3 vols.)	79.95
Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias
A Dictionary Of Biblical Tradition In English Literature	35.95
Dictionary of Theological Terms	44.95
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE) (1979–1995) (4 vols.)	129.95
The Westminster Bible Dictionary	29.95
Biblical Studies
By Faith, Not by Sight: Paul and the Order of Salvation	14.95
Justification and Variegated Nomism (2 vols.)	64.95
Patterns of Discipleship in the New Testament	24.95
Paul, Missionary Theologian	19.95
Paul: Apostle of the Free Spirit	39.95
Sheffield Reader Collection (12 vols.)	189.95
Studies in Scripture and Its Authority	8.99
The Living Paul: An Introduction to the Apostle’s Life and Thought	13.95
The Promise of Hermeneutics	19.99
Themelios: vol. 38, no. 1, April 2013	1.99
Themelios: vol. 38, no. 2, July 2013	1.99
Themelios: vol. 38, no. 3, November 2013	1.99
Themelios: vol. 39, no. 1, April 2014	1.99
When the Time Had Fully Come: Studies in New Testament Theology	8.99
Biblical Theology
A Theology of the New Testament, rev. ed.	34.95
Christ and the Desert Tabernacle	10.95
John - Beloved Disciple	22.95
New Testament Theology	26.95
T&T Clark Studies in Biblical Theology and Theological Interpretation (4 vols.)	74.95
Systematic and Historical Theology
Abstract of Systematic Theology	26.95
Armchair Theologians Series (13 vols.)	156.88
Barth’s Church Dogmatics (31 vols.)	232.12
Calvin and the History of Calvinism Collection (31 vols.)	249.95
Institutes of the Christian Religion (2 vols.)	69.95
Outlines of Theology	12.49
Reformed Dogmatics (4 vols.)	179.95
Reformed Dogmatics (5 vols.)	89.99
Smeaton Theology Collection (3 vols.)	59.95
Studies in Dogmatics (14 vols.)	329.95
Systematic Theology, vol. 1	35.95
Systematic Theology: Biblical and Historical	39.95
The Church of Christ (2 vols.)	26.95
The Doctrine of Justification: An Outline of Its History in the Church and of Its Exposition from Scripture	14.78
Modern Theology
Assurance of Faith	5.99
Biblical Archaeology	14.99
Calvin and the Atonement	12.95
Calvin and the Biblical Languages	12.95
Calvin and the Sabbath: The Controversy of Applying the Fourth Commandment	14.95
Calvin's Teaching on Job: Proclaiming the Incomprehensible God	18.95
Canon Press Theology Collection (9 vols.)	119.95
Christian Apologetics: A Comprehensive Case for Biblical Faith	32.95
Contending for the Faith: Lines in the Sand that Strengthen the Church	13.95
Douglas Wilson Collection (17 vols.)	99.99
Infant Baptism and the Silence of the New Testament	10.95
Introduction to Systematic Theology	19.99
Introduction to the New Testament	19.99
Justification: Five Views	17.95
Let Go and Let God? A Survey and Analysis of Keswick Theology	24.95
Manual of Christian Doctrine	17.99
Paul the Missionary	7.99
Peter J. Leithart Collection (6 vols.)	84.95
Principles of Biblical Interpretation: Sacred Hermeneutics	14.99
Puritan Profiles: 54 Contemporaries of the Westminster Assembly	19.95
Recent Trends in Theology	2.99
Revisiting Paul’s Doctrine of Justification: A Challenge to the New Perspective	13.95
Standing Forth: Collected Writings of Roger Nicole	18.95
Subjects and Outlines	14.99
Summary of Christian Doctrine	12.99
T&T Clark Companion to Reformation Theology	31.95
The Bond of Love: God’s Covenantal Relationship with the Church	12.95
The Church and Social Problems	2.99
The Great Exchange: Justification by Faith Alone in the Light of Recent Thought	11.95
The History of Christian Doctrines	19.99
The Honour of God and Human Salvation	44.95
The Practical Calvinist: An Introduction to the Presbyterian & Reformed Heritage	29.95
The Saving Righteousness of God	13.99
Trinitarian Theology Collection (3 vols.)	69.95
Vicarious Atonement through Christ	12.99
Vital Christianity: The Life and Spirituality of William Wilberforce	8.95
Why Baptizing Your Child Matters	7.95
Why Reformed Young Man's Societies?	1.99
History
A Short History of the Early Church	10.95
Church History: An Introduction to Research, Reference Works, and Methods	19.99
John Calvin Biography Collection (10 vols.)	159.95
John Calvin: A Pilgrim's Life	22.95
Original Letters Relative to the English Reformation (2 vols.)	52.95
Primitive Christianity	29.95
The History of the Puritans (5 vols.)	129.95
Church Fathers
Catena Aurea: Commentary on the Four Gospels (8 vols.)	99.95
Patristic Study	16.95
Collected Works
A Commentary on the Epistle to the Ephesians	22.95
A Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans	22.95
A Dissertation on the Importance of Biblical Literature	11.95
A. A. Hodge Collection (11 vols.)	149.95
Abraham Kuyper Collection (3 vols.)	49.95
An Exposition of the First Epistle to the Corinthians	21.95
An Exposition of the Second Epistle to the Corinthians	19.95
Apostolic History and Literature	16.95
B. B. Warfield Collection (20 vols.)	245.80
Charles Spurgeon Collection (149 vols.)	496.56
Christianity and Liberalism	11.95
Essays, Social Commentary, and Other Miscellaneous Writings of Charles Hodge	19.95
God Transcendent and Other Sermons	8.95
Herman Witsius Collection (11 vols.)	179.95
Index to Systematic Theology	12.95
Princeton Sermons	17.95
Proceedings Connected with the Semi-Centennial Commemoration of the Professorship of Rev. Charles Hodge	19.95
Questions Adapted to Dr. Hodge’s Exposition of the First Epistle to the Corinthians	12.95
Questions on the Epistle to the Romans: Designed for Bible Classes and Sunday Schools	15.95
Questions on the Text of the Systematic Theology of Dr. Charles Hodge	15.95
Recent Criticism of the Book of Acts	4.95
Select Works of Geerhardus Vos (14 vols.)	153.50
Systematic Theology: A Series of Questions upon the Lectures Delivered to the Students in Princeton Theological Seminary	14.95
Teaching the Teacher: A First Book in Teacher Training	15.95
The Book Reviews of Charles Hodge	49.95
The Canon of the New Testament: How and When Formed	3.95
The Church and its Polity	28.95
The Complete Works of Stephen Charnock (5 vols.)	59.99
The Constitutional History of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, Part I	15.95
The Constitutional History of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, Part II	23.95
The Decades of Henry Bullinger (4 vols.)	99.95
The General Assembly Articles of Charles Hodge	19.95
The Letters of John Calvin (4 vols.)	143.80
The Literature and History of New Testament Times	21.95
The Origin of Paul’s Religion	23.95
The Saviour of the World	14.95
The Way of Life	21.95
The Works of Cornelius Van Til (40 vols.)	199.95
The Works of George Whitefield (13 vols.)	199.95
The Works of John Knox (6 vols.)	99.95
The Works of John Owen (17 vols.)	282.31
The Works of Richard Sibbes (7 vols.)	85.67
Tracts and Treatises of John Calvin (8 vols.)	127.46
What is Darwinism?	12.95
What Is Faith?	35.95
What is Presbyterianism? An Address	7.95
Works of Robert J. Breckinridge (10 vols.)	129.95
Christian Living and Spiritual Growth
365 Days with Calvin	16.95
365 Days with Newton	15.95
365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 1	17.95
365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 2	17.95
365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 3	15.95
365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 4	17.95
365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 5	17.95
365 Days with Wilberforce	16.95
Taste and See	13.95
Why Do I Suffer?: Suffering & the Sovereignty of God	7.95
Ministry
Journal of Modern Ministry (17 Issues)	129.95
Priorities for the Church: Rediscovering the Leadership and Vision in the Church	13.95
Preaching and Teaching
300 Quotations for Preachers from the Early Church	19.95
300 Quotations for Preachers from the Reformation	19.95
Christian Focus Preaching Collection (2 vols.)	24.95
Puritan Sermons 1659–1689 (6 vols.)	64.99
The Psalms as Christian Worship: A Historical Commentary	25.95
The Reading and Preaching of the Scriptures in the Worship of the Christian Church (7 vols.)	239.95
Apologetics
Presuppositional Apologetics: Stated and Defended	19.95
Pushing the Antithesis: The Apologetic Methodology of Greg L. Bahnsen	19.95
Confessions and Catechisms
A Body of Divinity (2 vols.)	89.95
Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism	4.95
Historic Creeds and Confessions	8.95
J. N. D. Kelly’s Early Christian Doctrines and Creeds (2 vols.)	74.95
Living and Dying in Joy: A Devotional Guide to the Heidelberg Catechism	16.95
The Commentary of Zacharias Ursinus on the Heidelberg Catechism	21.95
The Heidelberg Catechism in its Newest Light	10.95
The Westminster Confession of Faith Study Book: A Study Guide for Churches	12.95
The Westminster Confession of Faith, Larger and Shorter Catechisms, and Subordinate Standards	22.95
General Reference
Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities *	34.99

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790748#Comment_790748

Mostly it is the collected works and the theology products. Here is a list of the things I would find valuable.

That's a very extensive (and fiscally significant) list. Other than the journals, what would be valuable to you in Standard Diamond? I imagine that there's some overlap and also possible some books that you would like that are not in Reformed Diamond.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790755#Comment_790755

I maxed out on Reformed awhile back. While the standard lineups are good, I quite frankly find that the Reformed, Lutheran and Baptist series seem to have more meaty things for people who are centered on studying the Word.

Michael Kinch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790755#Comment_790755

Other than the journals, what would be valuable to you in Standard Diamond?

I tried to post a comparison from my excel file but the post was too wide and you couldn't see it properly so I deleted it. I would suggest just looking at the Standard Diamond package. There are some good products in it but with the exception of the journals I think the Reformed Diamond would give me a better deal.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790680#Comment_790680

Thanks Mark, I have Logos 5 Platinum and Logos 6 Chaplain.

In that case, I would personally think Reformed Diamond is a better bet than standard Diamond. Reformed is much more balanced at Diamond level, and a quite a few of the resources 'missing' from Reformed Diamond you'll already have anyway.

If you're buying two base packages at the same time, don't buy them online, but ask a sales rep to give you a custom price. There'll be overlap in resources, but the website can't work out what dynamic pricing would be in that scenario.

You may miss some of the journals if you buy Reformed Diamond, but if you don't have an unlimited budget, you'll be missing out on something, and as your screenshots suggest, I would think you'll be missing out more if you pass on Reformed Diamond than if you pass on Standard Diamond.

Michael Kinch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/790820#Comment_790820

Thanks Mark, I have Logos 5 Platinum and Logos 6 Chaplain.

In that case, I would personally think Reformed Diamond is a better bet than standard Diamond. Reformed is much more balanced at Diamond level, and a quite a few of the resources 'missing' from Reformed Diamond you'll already have anyway.

If you're buying two base packages at the same time, don't buy them online, but ask a sales rep to give you a custom price. There'll be overlap in resources, but the website can't work out what dynamic pricing would be in that scenario.

You may miss some of the journals if you buy Reformed Diamond, but if you don't have an unlimited budget, you'll be missing out on something, and as your screenshots suggest, I would think you'll be missing out more if you pass on Reformed Diamond than if you pass on Standard Diamond.

Thanks Mark, I do appreciate your help. I have been working with a Logos rep. I will be adding a few items that are on sale to it. Mostly I needed to decide which base package to go with.