Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond
I am looking at upgrading to either Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond. Both have products that are appealing. The biggest advantage to the Standard package that I can see is that it has the journals. How helpful have the journals been in your studies? The value of books I do not have is Standard $11,668 and the Reformed is $13,742. What are your thoughts regarding these two base packages?
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Michael Kinch said:
I am looking at upgrading to either Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond. Both have products that are appealing. The biggest advantage to the Standard package that I can see is that it has the journals. How helpful have the journals been in your studies? The value of books I do not have is Standard $11,668 and the Reformed is $13,742. What are your thoughts regarding these two base packages?
You don't say what you're upgrading from, which actually makes quite a difference. Because you only pay for what's new, some of what's best in these two packages might be things you already have.
You can read my verdict on all the Diamond packages here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/117317.aspx. It focusses very much on those resources which are new at the Diamond level. If you're coming from Gold, for example, you should read the Platinum comparison too.
As for the journals in Standard Diamond. JBL and Themelios are certainly worth having, but you might already have the latter (it's in Gold). Biblical Archaeologist/Near Eastern Archaeology is also valuable if you're into archaeology.
Finally, people are often better off buying a few 'lower' base packages than one bigger package. Have you considered that possibility? It's hard to price up, but you can ask a sales person to do that for you.
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Michael one other thing to think of is if you like the Journals. You could get the Masters Journal Bundle. I got back when they were on sale. It added almost 1,500 journals, I have a total of 1,808 Journals.
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Michael Kinch said:
I am looking at upgrading to either Standard Diamond or Reformed Diamond. Both have products that are appealing. The biggest advantage to the Standard package that I can see is that it has the journals. How helpful have the journals been in your studies? The value of books I do not have is Standard $11,668 and the Reformed is $13,742. What are your thoughts regarding these two base packages?
In addition to Mark's excellent advice, you should focus your decision on what's new to you in both products. There may be some overlap. Also, the products you are interested in might be available in a lower package, which gets very cheap in dynamic price (example: maybe you're upgrading from Standard Platinum to Standard Diamond. What interests you most about the resources you don't get with this upgrade may already be in Reformed Silver or Gold, which might be just a couple of dollars dynamic price. Or these resources might be in a bundle you can buy with additional discount when you have a base package in your cart.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Thanks Mark, I have Logos 5 Platinum and Logos 6 Chaplain. I have compiled an excell spreadsheet listing what is new to to me. I am a SDA and have many of the SDA products but will update to SDA Platinum at the same time. The journals In Standard Diamond that I do not have are:
Journals and Magazines Ashland Theological Journal (37 vols.) $114.95 Biblical Archaeologist / Near Eastern Archaeology (1992–2011) (20 vols.) (74 issues) $153.94 Bulletin for Biblical Research (vols. 1-18) $319.95 Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research (78 vols.) $219.95 Christian History & Biography Magazine (issues 1–99) $149.95 Conspectus: Journal of the South African Theological Seminary (4 vols.) $16.95 Critical Review of Books in Religion (1988–1998) $129.95 Journal of Biblical and Pneumatological Research (2009–2012) (4 vols.) $75.95 Journal of Discipleship & Family Ministry (2 vols.) $44.95 Maranatha Baptist Theological Journal (2 vols.) $8.95 Near East Archaeological Society Bulletin (1958–2013) (60 issues) $74.95 Puritan Reformed Journal (1-3 vols.) $12.95 The Journal of Biblical Literature (26 vols.) $299.95 The Review of Biblical Literature Collection (9 vols.) $199.95 I am leaning toward the Reformed Package but the Journals do look interesting.
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Michael Kinch said:
I am leaning toward the Reformed Package but the Journals do look interesting.
What's valuable to you in the Reformed package?
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Mostly it is the collected works and the theology products. Here is a list of the things I would find valuable.
Concise Bible Commentaries Exegetical Summaries Series (27 vols.) 83.77 Sheffield / T&T Clark Bible Guides Collection (44 vols.) 262.95 Welwyn Commentary Series (53 vols.) 724.95 Critical/Exegetical Commentaries The New International Greek Testament Commentary (13 vols.) 599.95 Classic Bible Commentaries A Commentary on the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica (4 vols.) 69.95 Frédéric Louis Godet Commentary Collection (16 vols.) 153.36 Reformation Commentary on Scripture (3 vols.) 99.95 Devotional/Practical Bible Commentaries Focus on the Bible Commentaries (41 vols.) 409.95 John: The Gospel of Belief 17.95 Westminster Bible Companion Series (33 vols.) 399.95 Expositional/Preaching Commentaries A Commentary on the Epistle to the Hebrews 49.95 Evangelical Press Study Commentary (22 vols.) 299.95 Mentor Commentary Series (16 vols.) 326.23 Pillar New Testament Commentary (PNTC) (15 vols.) 487.70 The Book of Isaiah (3 vols.) 35.99 The Epistle to the Romans (2 vols.) 39.96 The Lectionary Commentary: Theological Exegesis for Sunday's Texts (3 vols.) 79.95 Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias A Dictionary Of Biblical Tradition In English Literature 35.95 Dictionary of Theological Terms 44.95 International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE) (1979–1995) (4 vols.) 129.95 The Westminster Bible Dictionary 29.95 Biblical Studies By Faith, Not by Sight: Paul and the Order of Salvation 14.95 Justification and Variegated Nomism (2 vols.) 64.95 Patterns of Discipleship in the New Testament 24.95 Paul, Missionary Theologian 19.95 Paul: Apostle of the Free Spirit 39.95 Sheffield Reader Collection (12 vols.) 189.95 Studies in Scripture and Its Authority 8.99 The Living Paul: An Introduction to the Apostle’s Life and Thought 13.95 The Promise of Hermeneutics 19.99 Themelios: vol. 38, no. 1, April 2013 1.99 Themelios: vol. 38, no. 2, July 2013 1.99 Themelios: vol. 38, no. 3, November 2013 1.99 Themelios: vol. 39, no. 1, April 2014 1.99 When the Time Had Fully Come: Studies in New Testament Theology 8.99 Biblical Theology A Theology of the New Testament, rev. ed. 34.95 Christ and the Desert Tabernacle 10.95 John - Beloved Disciple 22.95 New Testament Theology 26.95 T&T Clark Studies in Biblical Theology and Theological Interpretation (4 vols.) 74.95 Systematic and Historical Theology Abstract of Systematic Theology 26.95 Armchair Theologians Series (13 vols.) 156.88 Barth’s Church Dogmatics (31 vols.) 232.12 Calvin and the History of Calvinism Collection (31 vols.) 249.95 Institutes of the Christian Religion (2 vols.) 69.95 Outlines of Theology 12.49 Reformed Dogmatics (4 vols.) 179.95 Reformed Dogmatics (5 vols.) 89.99 Smeaton Theology Collection (3 vols.) 59.95 Studies in Dogmatics (14 vols.) 329.95 Systematic Theology, vol. 1 35.95 Systematic Theology: Biblical and Historical 39.95 The Church of Christ (2 vols.) 26.95 The Doctrine of Justification: An Outline of Its History in the Church and of Its Exposition from Scripture 14.78 Modern Theology Assurance of Faith 5.99 Biblical Archaeology 14.99 Calvin and the Atonement 12.95 Calvin and the Biblical Languages 12.95 Calvin and the Sabbath: The Controversy of Applying the Fourth Commandment 14.95 Calvin's Teaching on Job: Proclaiming the Incomprehensible God 18.95 Canon Press Theology Collection (9 vols.) 119.95 Christian Apologetics: A Comprehensive Case for Biblical Faith 32.95 Contending for the Faith: Lines in the Sand that Strengthen the Church 13.95 Douglas Wilson Collection (17 vols.) 99.99 Infant Baptism and the Silence of the New Testament 10.95 Introduction to Systematic Theology 19.99 Introduction to the New Testament 19.99 Justification: Five Views 17.95 Let Go and Let God? A Survey and Analysis of Keswick Theology 24.95 Manual of Christian Doctrine 17.99 Paul the Missionary 7.99 Peter J. Leithart Collection (6 vols.) 84.95 Principles of Biblical Interpretation: Sacred Hermeneutics 14.99 Puritan Profiles: 54 Contemporaries of the Westminster Assembly 19.95 Recent Trends in Theology 2.99 Revisiting Paul’s Doctrine of Justification: A Challenge to the New Perspective 13.95 Standing Forth: Collected Writings of Roger Nicole 18.95 Subjects and Outlines 14.99 Summary of Christian Doctrine 12.99 T&T Clark Companion to Reformation Theology 31.95 The Bond of Love: God’s Covenantal Relationship with the Church 12.95 The Church and Social Problems 2.99 The Great Exchange: Justification by Faith Alone in the Light of Recent Thought 11.95 The History of Christian Doctrines 19.99 The Honour of God and Human Salvation 44.95 The Practical Calvinist: An Introduction to the Presbyterian & Reformed Heritage 29.95 The Saving Righteousness of God 13.99 Trinitarian Theology Collection (3 vols.) 69.95 Vicarious Atonement through Christ 12.99 Vital Christianity: The Life and Spirituality of William Wilberforce 8.95 Why Baptizing Your Child Matters 7.95 Why Reformed Young Man's Societies? 1.99 History A Short History of the Early Church 10.95 Church History: An Introduction to Research, Reference Works, and Methods 19.99 John Calvin Biography Collection (10 vols.) 159.95 John Calvin: A Pilgrim's Life 22.95 Original Letters Relative to the English Reformation (2 vols.) 52.95 Primitive Christianity 29.95 The History of the Puritans (5 vols.) 129.95 Church Fathers Catena Aurea: Commentary on the Four Gospels (8 vols.) 99.95 Patristic Study 16.95 Collected Works A Commentary on the Epistle to the Ephesians 22.95 A Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans 22.95 A Dissertation on the Importance of Biblical Literature 11.95 A. A. Hodge Collection (11 vols.) 149.95 Abraham Kuyper Collection (3 vols.) 49.95 An Exposition of the First Epistle to the Corinthians 21.95 An Exposition of the Second Epistle to the Corinthians 19.95 Apostolic History and Literature 16.95 B. B. Warfield Collection (20 vols.) 245.80 Charles Spurgeon Collection (149 vols.) 496.56 Christianity and Liberalism 11.95 Essays, Social Commentary, and Other Miscellaneous Writings of Charles Hodge 19.95 God Transcendent and Other Sermons 8.95 Herman Witsius Collection (11 vols.) 179.95 Index to Systematic Theology 12.95 Princeton Sermons 17.95 Proceedings Connected with the Semi-Centennial Commemoration of the Professorship of Rev. Charles Hodge 19.95 Questions Adapted to Dr. Hodge’s Exposition of the First Epistle to the Corinthians 12.95 Questions on the Epistle to the Romans: Designed for Bible Classes and Sunday Schools 15.95 Questions on the Text of the Systematic Theology of Dr. Charles Hodge 15.95 Recent Criticism of the Book of Acts 4.95 Select Works of Geerhardus Vos (14 vols.) 153.50 Systematic Theology: A Series of Questions upon the Lectures Delivered to the Students in Princeton Theological Seminary 14.95 Teaching the Teacher: A First Book in Teacher Training 15.95 The Book Reviews of Charles Hodge 49.95 The Canon of the New Testament: How and When Formed 3.95 The Church and its Polity 28.95 The Complete Works of Stephen Charnock (5 vols.) 59.99 The Constitutional History of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, Part I 15.95 The Constitutional History of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, Part II 23.95 The Decades of Henry Bullinger (4 vols.) 99.95 The General Assembly Articles of Charles Hodge 19.95 The Letters of John Calvin (4 vols.) 143.80 The Literature and History of New Testament Times 21.95 The Origin of Paul’s Religion 23.95 The Saviour of the World 14.95 The Way of Life 21.95 The Works of Cornelius Van Til (40 vols.) 199.95 The Works of George Whitefield (13 vols.) 199.95 The Works of John Knox (6 vols.) 99.95 The Works of John Owen (17 vols.) 282.31 The Works of Richard Sibbes (7 vols.) 85.67 Tracts and Treatises of John Calvin (8 vols.) 127.46 What is Darwinism? 12.95 What Is Faith? 35.95 What is Presbyterianism? An Address 7.95 Works of Robert J. Breckinridge (10 vols.) 129.95 Christian Living and Spiritual Growth 365 Days with Calvin 16.95 365 Days with Newton 15.95 365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 1 17.95 365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 2 17.95 365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 3 15.95 365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 4 17.95 365 Days with Spurgeon, vol. 5 17.95 365 Days with Wilberforce 16.95 Taste and See 13.95 Why Do I Suffer?: Suffering & the Sovereignty of God 7.95 Ministry Journal of Modern Ministry (17 Issues) 129.95 Priorities for the Church: Rediscovering the Leadership and Vision in the Church 13.95 Preaching and Teaching 300 Quotations for Preachers from the Early Church 19.95 300 Quotations for Preachers from the Reformation 19.95 Christian Focus Preaching Collection (2 vols.) 24.95 Puritan Sermons 1659–1689 (6 vols.) 64.99 The Psalms as Christian Worship: A Historical Commentary 25.95 The Reading and Preaching of the Scriptures in the Worship of the Christian Church (7 vols.) 239.95 Apologetics Presuppositional Apologetics: Stated and Defended 19.95 Pushing the Antithesis: The Apologetic Methodology of Greg L. Bahnsen 19.95 Confessions and Catechisms A Body of Divinity (2 vols.) 89.95 Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism 4.95 Historic Creeds and Confessions 8.95 J. N. D. Kelly’s Early Christian Doctrines and Creeds (2 vols.) 74.95 Living and Dying in Joy: A Devotional Guide to the Heidelberg Catechism 16.95 The Commentary of Zacharias Ursinus on the Heidelberg Catechism 21.95 The Heidelberg Catechism in its Newest Light 10.95 The Westminster Confession of Faith Study Book: A Study Guide for Churches 12.95 The Westminster Confession of Faith, Larger and Shorter Catechisms, and Subordinate Standards 22.95 General Reference Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities * 34.99 0 -
Michael Kinch said:
Mostly it is the collected works and the theology products. Here is a list of the things I would find valuable.
That's a very extensive (and fiscally significant) list. Other than the journals, what would be valuable to you in Standard Diamond? I imagine that there's some overlap and also possible some books that you would like that are not in Reformed Diamond.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I maxed out on Reformed awhile back. While the standard lineups are good, I quite frankly find that the Reformed, Lutheran and Baptist series seem to have more meaty things for people who are centered on studying the Word.
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I tried to post a comparison from my excel file but the post was too wide and you couldn't see it properly so I deleted it. I would suggest just looking at the Standard Diamond package. There are some good products in it but with the exception of the journals I think the Reformed Diamond would give me a better deal.SineNomine said:Other than the journals, what would be valuable to you in Standard Diamond?
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Michael Kinch said:
Thanks Mark, I have Logos 5 Platinum and Logos 6 Chaplain.
In that case, I would personally think Reformed Diamond is a better bet than standard Diamond. Reformed is much more balanced at Diamond level, and a quite a few of the resources 'missing' from Reformed Diamond you'll already have anyway.
If you're buying two base packages at the same time, don't buy them online, but ask a sales rep to give you a custom price. There'll be overlap in resources, but the website can't work out what dynamic pricing would be in that scenario.
You may miss some of the journals if you buy Reformed Diamond, but if you don't have an unlimited budget, you'll be missing out on something, and as your screenshots suggest, I would think you'll be missing out more if you pass on Reformed Diamond than if you pass on Standard Diamond.
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Thanks Mark, I do appreciate your help. I have been working with a Logos rep. I will be adding a few items that are on sale to it. Mostly I needed to decide which base package to go with.Mark Barnes said:Michael Kinch said:Thanks Mark, I have Logos 5 Platinum and Logos 6 Chaplain.
In that case, I would personally think Reformed Diamond is a better bet than standard Diamond. Reformed is much more balanced at Diamond level, and a quite a few of the resources 'missing' from Reformed Diamond you'll already have anyway.
If you're buying two base packages at the same time, don't buy them online, but ask a sales rep to give you a custom price. There'll be overlap in resources, but the website can't work out what dynamic pricing would be in that scenario.
You may miss some of the journals if you buy Reformed Diamond, but if you don't have an unlimited budget, you'll be missing out on something, and as your screenshots suggest, I would think you'll be missing out more if you pass on Reformed Diamond than if you pass on Standard Diamond.
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