New Feature: Sermon Editor
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I'm with Thomas. We discussed this during the beta and the suggestion to create a fixed number of different styles (which I suspect is already being worked on[;)]) would probably be fine, as long as there is a style I like [:)]. Possibly some additional color controls, though I seldom use color, that is apparently something others would use.
I have to stress once again the need for these documents to be included in the ios and android apps. Read only is fine. I understand the SoundFaith work around, but that does not serve those with an unreliable internet connection, or no internet at all.
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Bob Pritchett said:
For example, if people can control fonts and size, they often skip things like choose H1, H2, or H3 and just make headings bigger, or bold, or in a different font (or all three). And then the software has a harder time detecting that that was a header, which is important when you want to write features that preserve headings across Questions and Handouts, or cause them to automatically generate slides, etc.
This makes a lot of sense. Yesterday I took some time and copied a recent sermon into the sermon editor and adapted it to it's own terms and I think I can work within it's structure. I really like how my sermons will be searchable.
The absolute must have is some ability to read it on my iPad without sending it to pages/word to decrease font or make it look better. If I have to do this I might as well continue using Pages.
In fact I hope there is no exporting to pages/word at all. We have documents in our Logos mobile app, it would be great to open it from there in a full page, continuous scroll screen and preach.
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I've used this tool twice this week (for a chapel message Wednesday with handouts and as I'm prepping for Sunday's message). I absolutely LOVE it (handouts were great - after re-formatting the HUGE fonts that were output, lol) BUT as I've mentioned previously related to media access improvements, here's what just happened...
Basic sermon is done and I send it to proclaim. Well, I've got 3 weeks left of a 30 week series (Zondervan Believe) where every slide is formatted the same with background images that match the weeks theme. So everything I just did in Sermon editor is pretty much useless bc I can't change the background properly. The default verse slide had white text on gray background. I changed it to black on gray to stand out more and moved the verse reference because it was interfering with the weekly icon on the slide. Thus I always had to duplicate the slide to retain proper formatting (unless there's another way I don't know about). Not sure how to render this.
In the future I can use whatever is in sermon editor except I'm planning another long series (Zondervan Story probably) and will end up with the same problem, especially if the media added to proclaim is not available in Logos Sermon Editor. We need to be able to customize and add media to the sermon editor - and it should be able to pull in any media from within Logos as well.0 -
I just ran into this and was on the way to start a thread. If the goal of handouts and questions is to make this sermon something more than I can see, then we need spellchek just for those moments when I miss the obvious.Fredc said:Randy Radke said:Another helpful addition would be spell checking.
Spellcheck was also discussed during the beta period. FL said this would be added in a future release.
^^^^^^^^ like that.
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Is this a glitch - I use the HCSB and that's what shows up in sermon editor but when it sent the slides to proclaim they are all in ESV??? I notices this while editing all of the slides due to previous issues mentioned. This is getting very frustrating at this point. It seems to me some minor tweaks would relieve a lot of frustration from the end user experience. I won't be able to use this (and I love the editor and the idea - it's a must for the FL suite) without a fix (is there an export setting I missed somewhere?).
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The export to PowerPoint feature is less than ideal. The slides are exported as images so I can't edit them or add animations etc. How about making it so that they are not images but editable?
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Kevin M. Adams said:
Is this a glitch - I use the HCSB and that's what shows up in sermon editor but when it sent the slides to proclaim they are all in ESV???
Do you mean that after export the ESV is selected in Proclaim as below?
I can reproduce that - but the exported slides contain the text of the HCSB. Do you see the same?
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Graham Criddle said:Kevin M. Adams said:
Is this a glitch - I use the HCSB and that's what shows up in sermon editor but when it sent the slides to proclaim they are all in ESV???
Do you mean that after export the ESV is selected in Proclaim as below?
I can reproduce that - but the exported slides contain the text of the HCSB. Do you see the same?
I can also reproduce the problem that Graham describes and have reported it to the team.
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Is there spell check in the sermon editor? If so where is it found?
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Chris Sipes said:
Is there spell check in the sermon editor? If so where is it found?
Not currently but it has been requested
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Why would a person request a spell check in a word processer? would that not be a standard feature?
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I just found that we do have spell check in the "key topics" tag but not in the body of the text. So maybe they will add it soon.
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Chris Sipes said:
I just found that we do have spell check in the "key topics" tag but not in the body of the text. So maybe they will add it soon.
Thats less a spellchecker but rather the tag having to march one already defined in the software.
Sorry!
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Chris Sipes said:
Why would a person request a spell check in a word processer? would that not be a standard feature?
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When I select a portion of a commentary text how do I bring it into the Sermon Editor? I see it done in the video. I have tried selecting the text and hitting the blockquote button but nothing happens. Please let me know thanks.
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A standard copy and paste should do it
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That will bring the text over for me but if you notice in the video there is a link produced taking you back the actual reference. in a general copy and paste that doesn't seem to happen.
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Thanks Graham you were correct. I was doing it incorrectly. Thanks Again.
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Thank you Graham and Bradley. I had not checked the actual text, I assumed that since it was now marked ESV in Proclaim and it was saying ESV on the slide it was ESV!! My bad if it wasn't I guess (go figure, lol). If that is the case then I can just turn off the "show version on slide" toggle and not add confusion for the people. Seems it's been reported so let's hope it's a quick fix and taken care of.
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I have a question/problem with the sermon editor that I wonder if anyone might be able to help me with.
Sometimes when I enter a bible passage reference such as Gen 1:1 it creates the slide with the text from the reference.
Other times when I type in the same reference, it simply treats the reference as simple text and does not create a slide with the verse text,
I can't seem to figure out what I am doing that is different.
Any thoughts
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Alan,
If you type the reference and hit enter you get a slide.
If you type the reference and hit space you do not. Even if you hit space, then enter.
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Thanks. That helps.
I have also found that it does not seem to recognize all abbreviations that logos typically does.
For example I sometime have to type out Genesis rather than use Gen.
Not a big deal, just something I have become aware of.
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Interesting observation. I note also that you have to capitalize. John is not the same as john.
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Tried out this feature for the first time and I really enjoyed using it even though I'll probably never use many of the features. I would like an option to only add the verse reference(s) to the slides rather than the whole verse. I like the sound of flipping pages, but having the reference easily available is really nice.
It also seems that over time the number of sermon docs will grow very large and it may become difficult to manage/find specific docs. Will there be folder or other management options added to help deal with this down the road?
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danwdoo said:
I would like an option to only add the verse reference(s) to the slides rather than the whole verse.
You can do this.
If you simply type the reference without pressing Enter then it, by default, just stays as text. You can then select that portion of text and apply "add slides from selected text"
which gives you
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Thank you for this feature.
Question: When I copy and paste a quote from a resource sometimes I get an uneditable unit with a top citation. Other times, when I right click from the sermon doc vice <command> v, I get plain text with the usual citation below. Is there are way to transfer between these two formats without deleting and trying to paste again?
Thanks again!
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I had this to and found a workaround. Insert a space before you paste and you will have the ability to choose the data included on the slide created or not create a slide at all.
Mike Woody
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for your drive to keep the formatting simple and effective for the sermon documents. Also, for asking for feedback on the issues you raise. Here are some of my own thoughts.
Bob Pritchett said:We can just open up more styling... but how about opening it up in a style-sheet compatible way? For example, what if there are six font color choices, but internally they are 'Accent Color 1' through 'Accent Color 6'. They'd almost always be the same colors, but that wouldn't be a promise -- in another rendering context they might be different, though still all six unique, not-the-base-text colors.
I think that a style-sheet option would be a really excellent way forward, especially if we could save/load from different style-sheets (although I would just use one 99% of the time).
Bob Pritchett said:And is it important that you can specify 72 pt text? Or can it be 'Big, Bigger, Biggest', etc?
Basic style settings 'Big, Bigger, Biggest' on the program interface might be fine (I use 11pt but a 12pt paragraph text would be fine too), but if the size could be more accurately defined in a style sheet, that would be great.
Bob Pritchett said:Or people turn text red. Then change their mind and instead of turning it back to 'default' they set it to black, or something close to black. Then we need to render the sermon in a Proclaim notes field (or remote app), where the UI is reversed, and now it's black text on a black background.
I think the benefits outweigh the concerns (and of course you could use something like message alerts to address this when users choose certain colours).
Bob Pritchett said:Is there a short list of character level styles most people could agree to? (Just as we H1, H2, H3, Prompt, and Title are universal paragraph styles.)
I also use a 'Quote' (ctrl+alt+Q) style to distinguish quoted paragraphs (indented, italic, but still default text colour) from authors from my sermon text. But if a style-sheet or similar option were available I could use H5 for that. That way, even if I miss out some of my own content, I can always see the important quotations and not miss them out too.
Bob Pritchett said:What do you call out a word or phase for? How do you mark things up beyond bold and italic WITHIN a paragraph, and how do you mark up paragraphs themselves? All caps? Bigger? Centered? 2-3 colors or 15 colors? Do the colors have semantic meaning -- does red always need to be red, or is it just to stand out?
I occasionally use underline to mark up certain words since bold doesn't stand out enough on the printed page or screen. Normally I don't mark up a paragraph for emphasis (other than indent or all italic for quotations) but instead give it a heading style. I don't use different colours within a paragraph, just different colours for the heading styles.
Another thought, would it be too much to ask to be able to assign a default image as the background to each text style, H1, H2, H3... paragraph text, instead of one default for the whole sermon?
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I love the new minimalist editor, and although of course I'd be happy to see more features, I have to say that having a note-taking editor _in_ the study app is what I personally needed for my studies. I expect to use it a good deal!
However, right now it's really badly integrated with the rest of the app -- for me, the most surprising lack is the ability to do anything with references. You can't hover over them to see them, can't left-click to follow the link (it merely moves the cursor), can't right-click to see a context menu (the resulting menu has only "cut/copy/paste" instead of the usual glorious reference menu); they're drawn as though they're hyperlinks, but so long as you're editing, they're _not_ (I see that I can click on them when I switch to "text" view, but of course this is no help while I'm editing).
I'd love to see more abilities to use those references. I mean, that's what Logos is all about!
But don't let me end on a "down" note. I'm using the new editor, and I'm glad for it
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William Tanksley, Jr said:
I have to say that having a note-taking editor _in_ the study app is what I personally needed for my studies. I expect to use it a good deal!
The Sermon document would probably not be the best tool for note-taking during study. It is really intended to be used after your study is complete and you are ready to actually create a sermon. The best tool for note-taking would be a notes document.
William Tanksley, Jr said:However, right now it's really badly integrated with the rest of the app -- for me, the most surprising lack is the ability to do anything with references. You can't hover over them to see them,
The references in the notes document provides this capability
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