Logos 7 FREE engine
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Simon smailus said:
Logos without an internet connection is the same as the kindle. Other functionality does not work.
Personally use a MacBook Air offline in a weekly Bible study so am Thankful for many Logos items are usable offline: e.g. Factbook, Passage Guide, Topic Guide,.... Logos wiki has => Online Only list of features that are not usable offline. Caveat: tend to turn off Wi-Fi followed by opening for offline use before removing power adapter (can take awhile for my collection cache to refresh before Logos 7 is ready for offline use).
Scott Simmons said:The features that seem to come close to helping the original language search capabilities of Logos I have to pay for, it seems
Thankful for visual filter highlighting that works offline or online so can "see" range of Greek verbal expression plus add inductive precept (visually mark themes):
LEB has inductive precept highlights plus blue text for Old Testament quote or allusion.
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MJ. Smith said:
It sounds like you've done a solid analysis of what meets your needs. That is a major step in being the happy (or resigned) user of any software. I do hope that you periodically try features potentially useful to you for speed and internet requirements as these are always changing and may change your analysis over time.
I think my philosophy of software is different to most people. I want software to do what I want. I have very clear workflows and ideas. I do not need the software manufacturer to try and shoehorn me into their ideology. Let me give you and example. If I list a library of all available books for you to choose which you want I am allowing you to flow with your own thinking. If I only sell you a package of books that I select, then I am exerting influence on you. This is fine if I place myself under someone's tutelage, but I do not allow this from people I do not know, nor software manufacturers.
I do not have time to do everything. So I must choose what I spend my time doing. This includes the books I read, programmes I watch and software I use. More books is not always better. How many resources do most people have in Logos and what percentage have they actually read and digested? Information overload has made us a world of scanners and skimmers and the art of reading is lost. Electronic searches can easily strip the context from the text focused on and too many books can make you lose sight of the Scriptures.
I tend to use what I want not what is available. Not just in terms of resources but also in functionality.
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Personally use a MacBook Air offline in a weekly Bible study so am Thankful for many Logos items are usable offline: e.g. Factbook, Passage Guide, Topic Guide,.... Logos wiki has => Online Only list of features that are not usable offline. Caveat: tend to turn off Wi-Fi followed by opening for offline use before removing power adapter (can take awhile for my collection cache to refresh before Logos 7 is ready for offline use).
I find the macair has too limited a screen angle for any real use in teaching or preaching. Most lecturns are angled and the macair screen does not go back far enough create a good viewing angle. The iPad is also lighter has better battery life and is generally my device of choice. It's just the Logos on iOS without internet is no better than the kindle. Searches et al doe not work.
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Simon smailus said:
Searches et al doe not work.
Some searches do work offline but are limited to resources downloaded to the device.
If you are having issues with iOS searching when offline and would like to explore that further please start a new thread in the iOS apps forum - https://community.logos.com/forums/74.aspx
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Graham Criddle said:
Some searches do work offline but are limited to resources downloaded to the device.
Many thanks! That is useful to know.
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Simon Smailus said:
How many resources do most people have in Logos and what percentage have they actually read and digested?
If you have a paper to write for seminary, do you want to walk into a Library with 100 books? 1000 books? 100,000?
Many people use Logos in different ways. I can appreciate the desire to target the books you want to purchase (although it is a more expensive way to acquire books). My Logos acquisitions have diminished in recent years as I am not currently preaching or writing term papers, but the SINGLE feature I like about Logos is that it is a search LIBRARY. The ability to search for a topic (or word) and find hits across my 6,000 books is priceless. For me it isn't about reading every book.
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Simon Smailus said:
I tend to use what I want not what is available. Not just in terms of resources but also in functionality.
Thankful can try (test) many features and resources so can keep using what is helpful. My favorite feature is visual filter highlighting.
Simon Smailus said:How many resources do most people have in Logos and what percentage have they actually read and digested?
Related question is how many interesting articles were found in a variety of resource bundles ? Searching Heading and Large text for topical keywords does find many articles: e.g. search for frankincense finds relatively few resources having articles.
Recently used search:
frankincense WITHIN {Milestone <Mt2>}
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alabama24 said:Simon Smailus said:
How many resources do most people have in Logos and what percentage have they actually read and digested?
If you have a paper to write for seminary, do you want to walk into a Library with 100 books? 1000 books? 100,000?
Many people use Logos in different ways. I can appreciate the desire to target the books you want to purchase (although it is a more expensive way to acquire books). My Logos acquisitions have diminished in recent years as I am not currently preaching or writing term papers, but the SINGLE feature I like about Logos is that it is a search LIBRARY. The ability to search for a topic (or word) and find hits across my 6,000 books is priceless. For me it isn't about reading every book.
You make a really good point. I would say for academics Logos is probably a wonderful treasure chest!
I would draw a distinction between quantity and quality. Just because a library has more books doesn't mean it is more resource rich. Not all books are equal. Adler and Van Doren's excellent book, "How to read a book" (https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Read-Book-Intelligent-Touchstone/dp/0671212095), makes the point that we must discover if a book should be read in the first place. There are many that shouldn't! If we are going to give time to reading a book we should make sure it is worth reading. It is too easy to publish text these days that the quality begins to suffer. I have found it easy to acquire a library, but acquiring a good library is not so easy. Over time my books are separated in to read once given away and books that are keepers and I delve into again and again.
This applies equally to the ability to search. One would be better off searching two resources of quality authors who really understood the subject and are known in their community as quality guys, than diluting the quality with lesser works that add little to the discussion. In fact searching for a word across 6,000 books may well begin to hide the wheat in the chaff. Not a desirable place to be!
All this makes me realise all the more that I believe increasing a library with collections, not to be a route I would personally go down. I think it better to purchase well chosen books in the area of study needed. Or in my case for the building up of the church and personal growth in God. Let's face it, even if you do have 6,000 books, it is doubtful you will ever read them in your lifetime. You still need to make the choice about which books you are actually going to invest your time in, and that number is going to be much much less. In the end I repeat that I think quality is to be preferred over quantity in most contexts.
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alabama24 said:
Many people use Logos in different ways. I can appreciate the desire to target the books you want to purchase (although it is a more expensive way to acquire books). My Logos acquisitions have diminished in recent years as I am not currently preaching or writing term papers, but the SINGLE feature I like about Logos is that it is a search LIBRARY. The ability to search for a topic (or word) and find hits across my 6,000 books is priceless. For me it isn't about reading every book.
Quoting myself from another thread:
Virgil Buttram said:... there are two types of libraries: reading libraries, and reference libraries. Faithlife promotes Logos as a reference library to support reading and study of the reading library subset of your Logos library.
So those who perceive no need for a personal reference library are not going to perceive Logos' value as highly as those of us who do. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's a question of de gustibus non est disputandum.
On the other hand, reading a Logos edition book is more functional than reading the same book in Kindle, or even as a generic epub, because of the linking, tagging, indexing, etc. that Logos includes. If that extra functionality is of no benefit to someone... then Logos really isn't for them.
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Simon Smailus said:
I think it better to purchase well chosen books in the area of study needed. Or in my case for the building up of the church and personal growth in God.
There is a danger in this approach - that in choosing you bias your library towards what you agree with and already know. If you omit books that challenge you, you will never grow in knowledge or spiritually.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Simon Smailus said:
I think it better to purchase well chosen books in the area of study needed. Or in my case for the building up of the church and personal growth in God.
There is a danger in this approach - that in choosing you bias your library towards what you agree with and already know. If you omit books that challenge you, you will never grow in knowledge or spiritually.
Bias is always a danger and we all do it. Knowing we are biased enables us to balance it out. The trick is in knowing where we are biased!
You'll note that I mentioned "well chosen" books. This depends on my criteria of choosing, which I have not shared here. In Adler and Van Doren's book mentioned earlier in the thread they highlight the need for reading books that are beyond you in understanding. I would agree with this premise, although this would not be my only criteria.
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Hi Willie
If you buy the logos 7 starter features the mutiview resources is included I got it for just £18.74 or about $22
Ruth
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Ruth Colderwood said:
Hi Willie
If you buy the logos 7 starter features the mutiview resources is included I got it for just £18.74 or about $22
Ruth
Hi Ruth,
If you are referring to my post from last September in which I asked whether the Multiview Resources tool would be included with the free L7 Core Engine, I appreciate your reply, but the second paragraph of my post explained the reason for my question. It read as follows: "The Multiview Resources three vertical line icon is distracting my eyes from focusing on resource text and other panel contents. If the free Logos 7 Core Engine does in fact not include the Multiview Resources tool, I could return the Full Feature Set and wait for the Core Engine to be released in February. This would of course mean sacrificing most if not all of the new Logos 7 features, but eliminating the visual distraction would be worth it for me."
In a subsequent reply, Phil Gons confirmed the free L7 Core Engine would not include the Multiview Resources tool which provided me with an acceptable solution, although I'm hoping Logos might eventually allow us the option of hiding the resource panel toolbar from within the normal viewing mode.
Thanks anyway for attempting to help.
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Is this Logos 7 Free engine https://www.logos.com/product/136022/basic
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It's more than the free core engine. That package lets new customers try a limited set of Logos 7 features by also giving them temporary access to some resources and datasets.
Right now, there is an issue where the store lets you re-buy it, but the program and resources do download to your computer.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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If I am already a Logos Now subscriber, should I download this Logos 7 Engine? Or would it be a waste of time.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
should I download this Logos 7 Engine? Or would it be a waste of time.
If you are already using the L7 engine, you don't need to re-download it.
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alabama24 said:Pastor Michael Huffman said:
should I download this Logos 7 Engine? Or would it be a waste of time.
If you are already using the L7 engine, you don't need to re-download it.
Well, I am not using, I don't think, the L7 Platform. I believe I am using Logos 6.14 with Logos Now to give me all the feature sets of Logos 7. Should I download the Logos 7 being a member of Logos Now or is it a waste of time?
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Well, I am not using, I don't think, the L7 Platform. I believe I am using Logos 6.14 with Logos Now to give me all the feature sets of Logos 7. Should I download the Logos 7 being a member of Logos Now or is it a waste of time?
If you subscribe to Logos Now you should be running Logos 7. Look at the Help >> About Logos... page to see what you are running and try the update now command if necessary to get the latest version (7.4).
Dave
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Well, I am not using, I don't think, the L7 Platform. I believe I am using Logos 6.14 with Logos Now to give me all the feature sets of Logos 7.
That isn't how it works. You should have been using L7 when it came out. Your LN entitles you to it! In any case, the engine is now free to everyone.
Dave Hooton said:If you subscribe to Logos Now you should be running Logos 7.
In previous years, the user would have to download the engine manually... I don't know how it worked with LN members.
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Dave Hooton said:Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Well, I am not using, I don't think, the L7 Platform. I believe I am using Logos 6.14 with Logos Now to give me all the feature sets of Logos 7. Should I download the Logos 7 being a member of Logos Now or is it a waste of time?
If you subscribe to Logos Now you should be running Logos 7. Look at the Help >> About Logos... page to see what you are running and try the update now command if necessary to get the latest version (7.4).
Information says that I am running 7.4 but says that I have a pre-Logos 7 Library...I guess it says that since I have not purchased a L7 Library just LN.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
pre-Logos 7 Library...I guess it says that since I have not purchased a L7 Library just LN.
That sounds about right
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