Making Logos usable for academic research
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Richard Villanueva said:
wow! That's a lot of vyrso-types books in a dissertation. That's not to knock your dissertation, but rather, that makes me think that your list of books might be better served in Logos, as opposed to vyrso.
You are right, and it would generally make someone think that my dissertation was less academic, and maybe it was (it was a DMin diss.). But it was over biblical eldership, and there happened to be a good bit of books in the Vyrso format over ecclesiology, the church, church leadership, and, specifically, eldership.
Richard Villanueva said:...having "better" tagging and potentially page numbers would be more likely to occur (I am aware that having a book in Logos does not guarantee having page numbers. In the resource, though I do imagine it being more likely.)
you are correct! How nice that would have been!!!
Richard Villanueva said:i see it won't be of direct benefit to you right now, but maybe if you suggest some of the vyrso books you used to be converted to logos, it may be helpful to others in the future.
Honestly, I had not thought of this. But you make a good point. I will heed your advice here. Thanks for suggestion this.
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
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MJ. Smith said:
For the Vyrso books I suspect that pleading with the publisher rather than Logos would be more effective although I've not seen the source files to know for certain.
I'm not sure about this one. I mean, I get what you're saying… It certainly would have a lot to do with the raw data file that comes from the publisher. However, I'm sure that the publisher disseminates the same datafile to all of the end-user retailers, and no other retailers, that I'm aware of, deploy books without page numbers other than Vyrso. I mean, while I know Amazon is a gazillion times bigger, I don't think I have ever seen a Kindle book without a page number or Kindle location number. Nor have I seen a Nook book without such. And I get a good bit of books in the e-book format from Baker as samples to examine for course textbooks ( I think Baker calls them on examination copy), and they all have page numbers. So even the publisher's very own proprietary formats have page numbers.
Whatever the case, I think that they should be making a concerted effort toward page number inclusion. I get that they started out as a small retailer, and as a peripheral, sideline business to Logos. But from what I've seen, Vyrso has taken off and has done quite well. And the potential to do even better is certainly there. As such, there really isn't an excuse, at least not a valid one, to continue to deploy books without page numbers, IMHO.
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College0 -
Given your evidence Myke, it does sound as if Logos could do page numbers ... but it may be that a Logos position number would be easier ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
it may be that a Logos position number would be easier ...
Hey (light bulb goes off), that's actually a really good idea. I wish you would formally suggest that to the FL team. Actually kind of like that better than page numbers.
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College0 -
Whatever the solution FL need to stop hiding behind the excuse that Vysro is just a hobby - it is an international business and they do publish academic resources under this brand. They may not get full Logos tagging but leaving out page numbers is not acceptable for this sort of material.
Myke Harbuck said:Whatever the case, I think that they should be making a concerted effort toward page number inclusion. I get that they started out as a small retailer, and as a peripheral, sideline business to Logos. But from what I've seen, Vyrso has taken off and has done quite well. And the potential to do even better is certainly there. As such, there really isn't an excuse, at least not a valid one, to continue to deploy books without page numbers, IMHO.
Myke Harbuck said:MJ. Smith said:it may be that a Logos position number would be easier ...
Hey (light bulb goes off), that's actually a really good idea. I wish you would formally suggest that to the FL team. Actually kind of like that better than page numbers.
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Myke Harbuck said:MJ. Smith said:
it may be that a Logos position number would be easier ...
Hey (light bulb goes off), that's actually a really good idea. I wish you would formally suggest that to the FL team. Actually kind of like that better than page numbers.
Try using the Copy location as Url option in the panel menu.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Try using the Copy location as Url option in the panel menu.
It's not the actual location that's needed. It's referencing that location that's the problem, such as in a bibliography.
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College0 -
Myke Harbuck said:
Try using the Copy location as Url option in the panel menu.
It's not the actual location that's needed. It's referencing that location that's the problem, such as in a bibliography.
Many styles provide for referencing a url indicating where content was retrieved from. If you open the Factbook tool and switch to the information screen, you'll see an article citation there that makes use of the URL for that specific Factbook article (for example, APA Style (6th ed.)).
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Many styles provide for referencing a url indicating where content was retrieved from. If you open the Factbook tool and switch to the information screen, you'll see an article citation there that makes use of the URL for that specific Factbook article (for example, APA Style (6th ed.)).
An example of a book without page numbers (from Vyrso) would be: Timothy J. Keller, Center Church: Doing Balanced, Gospel-Centered Ministry in Your City (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2012).
I see copy and visual copy, but not "copy as URL" in Logos 7. Am I missing something?
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Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Interesting. I did not know about that. Thank you, I do see uses for this in the research stage of paper.
While it may work for some professors, other professors won't accept it since it is not an online resource that can be accessed with that link. SBL does have a format for online resources and a format for resources without pages. However, too many web links or no page resources and the level of academics is suspect after undergrad. Maybe a checklist of required attributes before a book is published would be a good thing and keep consistency among the FL companies.
An interesting side note is that I copied it from Logos when I had both logos and Verbum open. When I click on the link, it tries (and fails) to access it in Verbum and not Logos. If Verbum is closed, it finds it in logos.
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Jeffrey Visser said:
Interesting. I did not know about that. Thank you, I do see uses for this in the research stage of paper.
While it may work for some professors, other professors won't accept it since it is not an online resource that can be accessed with that link. SBL does have a format for online resources and a format for resources without pages. However, too many web links or no page resources and the level of academics is suspect after undergrad. Maybe a checklist of required attributes before a book is published would be a good thing and keep consistency among the FL companies.
An interesting side note is that I copied it from Logos when I had both logos and Verbum open. When I click on the link, it tries (and fails) to access it in Verbum and not Logos. If Verbum is closed, it finds it in logos.
You were right about online sources that can't be accessed with the link. I do not permit my students to use URLs that are not accessible online. It's too easy to simply make fake citations that way. But I do think the idea of copying the URL location is a good workaround until page numbers can be developed. I just hope that this isn't seen as a solution, because it isn't.
Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College0
