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I have noticed that several Lutheran resources offered by Logos are from the ELCA which is very liberal. So liberal that they even condone ordaining homosexuals. Is there a reason they do not use the more conservative Missouri Synod Lutheran Church as a source for resources?

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MJ. Smith

Is there a reason they do not use the more conservative Missouri Synod Lutheran Church as a source for resources?

Yes, the Missouri Synod presents some specific difficulties as a Logos partner. Logos does have a significant amount of material from the even more conservative WELS. If you want LCMS to have more resources in Logos, make sure they know.

So liberal that they even condone ordaining homosexuals

That is not necessarily a mark of liberalism depending upon the behavioral restrictions they place on them ... which it why it falls into the category of theological discussion which belongs on ChristianDiscourse.com.

Disclosure: I am not Lutheran. My Grandmother was Apostolic Lutheran (a very conservative pietist branch); my daughter-in-law is an ELCA minister.

Virgil Buttram

The LCMS and WELS content issues are more specifically with each denomination's publishing house (Concordia and Northwestern respectively). Like all other publishers, they have their own individual agreements with Faithlife/Logos. And like some of those other publishers, they are less cooperative with Logos' bundling and discounting practices. Short of a successful renegotiation of those agreements, nothing can or will change.

Ken McGuire

I have noticed that several Lutheran resources offered by Logos are from the ELCA which is very liberal.

As a ELCA educated LCMS lay person, I have lots of opinions on this. "Liberal" and "Conservative" may have a bit a meaning, but what exactly they mean varies a lot. Last I saw, the "experts" on American Religion place the ELCA as a moderate mainline body - like the United Methodists, and not as a Liberal mainline body like the ECUSA, UCC, and the PCUSA. Of course, if you want to say "mainline" equals "liberal", you may. You can certainly say that there are significant Liberals in the ELCA, with the late Marcus Borg as probably the most popular...

So liberal that they even condone ordaining homosexuals.

Ah - so this is your single yardstick? The thing is that to this Confessional Lutheran wants to go to Augsburg Confession 7, which states that the unity of the church is based on the pure treaching of Gospel and the administration of the sacraments according to this gospel, and not based on disciplinary standards for clergy....

Is there a reason they do not use the more conservative Missouri Synod Lutheran Church as a source for resources?

I am not a party to the discussions between CPH (the LCMS's publishing house) and Faithlife. But is is quite obvious from seeing the specials offered in the past that CPH has some specific controls on pricing. I suspect they do not want to undercut their own print offerings with the Digital offerings. Heck, often CPH books on Amazon are at very little of a discount.

It hurts that the American editions of Luther's Works are not in any base packages - and also some significant English editions of Melanchthon, Chemnitz, Gerhardt, Elert, Sasse, etc. that are in the CPH catalogue. But the Logos 7 Lutheran libraries are by far the best Lutheran libraries that Logos has offered. Is it the same as my theological viewpoint? No. But it has some very significant voices that try to articulate what it means to be Lutheran to their age, including today and I welcome it. I particularly welcome it as someone who left the ELCA because my corner of it did not at all seem interested in talking about Lutheran things.

J. Myers

No it's not my single yardstick, but condoning homosexuality is against God's will and this kind of stuff is continually creeping into every aspect of society. Yes I am against it and will continue to be on the lookout. I believe it is my duty as a Christian.

MJ. Smith

No it's not my single yardstick, but condoning homosexuality is against God's will and this kind of stuff is continually creeping into every aspect of society. Yes I am against it and will continue to be on the lookout. I believe it is my duty as a Christian.

Because you are new to the forums (6 posts) let me clarify although you may already know and you certainly gave an appropriate response to the preceding post. The discussion belongs on ChristianDiscourse not here. In the context of SOFTWARE forums we don't collectively care whether you are for, against or undecided; we want to make everyone using using the software comfortable coming here to have their questions answered. Individually we may have very strong beliefs on the topic which is why ChristianDiscourse is provided by Faithlife for use to discuss them.

David McCulloch

MJ is correct that "Logos does have a significant amount of material from the even more conservative WELS." Moreover, Northwestern Publishing House (NPH) has a few excellent collections at a great discount:

The Northwestern Publishing House Electronic Library: Collection One (100 vols.) includes several useful resources. List price of its printed resources is $2,115.59, but its Logos price is only $524.99.
The Peoples Bible: Complete Set, which is included in the Collection One set (above), includes 42 volumes that span every book of the OT and NT. It is an excellent commentary for laypeople and pastors alike. Its Logos price is only $219.99.

For small group Bible studies, check out NPH's Whole Bible Project Complete Set. It is not available on Logos (yet?), but its material (in PDF and RTF format) complements The Peoples Bible commentary, can be copied for small group studies and has excellent questions & answers for 30- to 60-minutes of discussion (such a page usually covers about one chapter). It is the best material that I have seen for small group Bible studies.
http://online.nph.net/t-servingyou_biblestudies_wholebible.aspx

J. Myers

MJ is correct that "Logos does have a significant amount of material from the even more conservative WELS." Moreover, Northwestern Publishing House (NPH) has a few excellent collections at a great discount:

The Northwestern Publishing House Electronic Library: Collection One (100 vols.) includes several useful resources. List price of its printed resources is $2,115.59, but its Logos price is only $524.99.

The Peoples Bible: Complete Set, which is included in the Collection One set (above), includes 42 volumes that span every book of the OT and NT. It is an excellent commentary for laypeople and pastors alike. Its Logos price is only $219.99.

For small group Bible studies, check out NPH's Whole Bible Project Complete Set. It is not available on Logos (yet?), but its material (in PDF and RTF format) complements The Peoples Bible commentary, can be copied for small group studies and has excellent questions & answers for 30- to 60-minutes of discussion (such a page usually covers about one chapter). It is the best material that I have seen for small group Bible studies.
http://online.nph.net/t-servingyou_biblestudies_wholebible.aspx

Thank you for this David. Much appreciated.

J. Myers

No it's not my single yardstick, but condoning homosexuality is against God's will and this kind of stuff is continually creeping into every aspect of society. Yes I am against it and will continue to be on the lookout. I believe it is my duty as a Christian.

Because you are new to the forums (6 posts) let me clarify although you may already know and you certainly gave an appropriate response to the preceding post. The discussion belongs on ChristianDiscourse not here. In the context of SOFTWARE forums we don't collectively care whether you are for, against or undecided; we want to make everyone using using the software comfortable coming here to have their questions answered. Individually we may have very strong beliefs on the topic which is why ChristianDiscourse is provided by Faithlife for use to discuss them.

I originally posted in this particular forum because Logos includes several ELCA resources in their Lutheran base package, and I am trying to decide whether or not to upgrade to the Logos 7 Lutheran base package. It has several ELCA resources included in it and I do not particularly want ELCA resources in my library considering their view on homosexuality.