Vyrso unreleased Pre-Pub books - that were supposed to be released (sometimes months ago) ????
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Because you are a bully. Your attempt to delete what you said is evidence of that Alabama. You have no right to tell another customer to stop buying product from this company.
I do not deny the good work any MVP, or Faithlife employee for that matter,that does interact with customers on these forums But that does not give you the right to speak to me or any other customer like you have on this or other threads where you have lost and told people to stop giving feedback just because you can't get people to fall into line with your view of the world.
alabama24 said:Kenute P. Curry said:And alabama24, the word "BULLYING" wow! Never thought you were that kind of person to be accusing another brother of such things, when he was only trying to help. My eyes have been opened.
Please enlighten me. When did I accuse someone of "BULLYING"? If you read carefully, it was DOC who called me the bully.
By the way: your response isn't very kind either. The forum MVP's may disagree with one another from time to time, but I can tell you that each has, at one time or another, spent massive amounts of time in the forums answering questions and helping others out.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
Deny it all you like you did attack me. And you even tried to delete some of what you wrote but I had already seen it.
- None of what I wrote was an attack. Despite continued provocation from you, I am trying to continue talking about the issues.
- Deciding that something I wrote was not helpful and deleting it is the sign of NOT being a bully.
- I have never told you not to be a customer, but I did tell you to stop buying Vyrso books! On numerous occasions you have suggested that FL should shut down Vyrso. I don't agree and will continue to promote the benefit of the catalog.
- The nature of Vyrso resources is known. We know that some formatting issues will remain. We know that sometimes the auto hyperlink to scripture verses will go wonky. Bob has said this is what they will be like.
- Sometimes legitimate issues arise. Bringing these to FL's attention is a good thing. I know that Knute has been a bulldog in finding typos (in Logos edition resources), missing sections, etc. His efforts in that have been appreciated by me and others.
- The forums are primarily an outlet for USERS. "Official" answers typically come from other means. If you want an "official" answer, call or write an email.
I do think much of what has transpired in this thread is a bit ironic/humorous. The original post here was about a delay in release. The OP asked for an explanation, which I provided (sometimes delays occur due to quality issues with the resource conversion). I am then attacked for making the "same ole same ole excuses, over and over, time and time again." Which is it? Should we be complaining about the "quality" of a resource, or the resource not being released on time because of quality issues? I am confused.
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To get back to the original post, I would like to add the following two titles to the list which have been languishing in pre-pub for more than three months Past the date they said it would be released. As of now it has been about a month since Vyrso has even decided to update the publication date:
https://vyrso.com/product/126785/designed-to-lead
The above title shows that I can add it to my cart, however, when I do it is removed. So, I'm not sure if it is live or not.
Guidelines for Leading Your Congregation 2017-2020 Small Group Ministries
This title doesn't even show up in Vyrso when I do a search anymore, yet it is still on my pre-pub list. What's up with that?
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Michael McLane said:
To get back to the original post, I would like to add the following two titles to the list which have been languishing in pre-pub for more than three months Past the date they said it would be released.
I will contact FL and see if I can get a response.
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If someone has a Vyrso question, please feel free to contact me. I'll do my best to get to the root of what's happening. Contacting me via my faithlife page works well. Kenute has used this before and it worked well. I was able to respond to a forum thread that I hadn't seen.
I asked someone to look at the outstanding resource issues yesterday. I'll try to get status update today.
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This is really awesome. Thank you Kyle.
Here's a list of the more severe resource issues that I've reported over the past year or so:
* Finding Your Child’s Way on the Autism Spectrum: Discovering Unique Strengths, Mastering Behavior Challenges mixed up images (for example image 5 is the same as image 3, but I suspect a lot more image inconsistencies)
* The Story of King Jesus about half the content is missing
* Bible Overview Title, cover and price of this book suggest that this is the Rose Bible Overview, however, the content that was delivered is the Bible Overview Pamphlet.
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I have a couple of questions:
Jan Krohn said:* Finding Your Child’s Way on the Autism Spectrum: Discovering Unique Strengths, Mastering Behavior Challenges mixed up images (for example image 5 is the same as image 3, but I suspect a lot more image inconsistencies)
I'm not finding any images in this resource. Is this the right resource?
Jan Krohn said:* The Story of King Jesus about half the content is missing
Likewise, I'm not finding any obvious material missing. Could you point me to something specific? i.e. "after the part about ... you should see ... but it's not there."
Jan Krohn said:* Bible Overview Title, cover and price of this book suggest that this is the Rose Bible Overview, however, the content that was delivered is the Bible Overview Pamphlet.
I took a quick look at amazon for the Bible Overview Pamphlet and the Pamphlet appears to be a bunch of charts which the vyrso edition is not. https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Overview-pamphlet-Themes-Verses/dp/1890947717/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1481739736&sr=8-2&keywords=rose+bible+overview
I did discover it looks like Rose did a major revision of the Bible Overview in around 2012. We're selling the 2005 edition. Since vyrso.com doesn't display publication dates that info isn't very helpful. I'm going to put in a request to see if vyrso.com can start displaying that info.
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Kyle G. Anderson said:
Since vyrso.com doesn't display publication dates that info isn't very helpful. I'm going to put in a request to see if vyrso.com can start displaying that info.
[Y] Much needed.
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Thank you alabama24
For those kind words about being a "Bulldog" in typos. I really appreciate it. It's just that my eyes really catch a lot of mistakes and errors in LOGOS and VYRSO resources. I have already been through the HARDBACK COPIES, and that helps me a lot in detecting the typos/errors.
I think I have reported about 150 typos now under the "Report Typo" feature in "THE BIBLE AND HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICE" by Robert A. J. Gagnon, which is in VYRSO. It is the most typos that I have ever reported in a resource. I use the Report Typo feature as much as I can.
I would like to also thank you for all of the help that you have given me as well at times when I need it. Thank you very much.
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Steve Haller said:
https://vyrso.com/product/72579/the-agents-collection-agents-of-the-apocalypse-agents-of-babylon
https://vyrso.com/product/53813/the-daniel-fast-for-weight-loss
https://vyrso.com/product/69011/befriend
https://vyrso.com/product/124938/god-is-good
https://vyrso.com/product/124942/god-is-good-interactive-manual
https://vyrso.com/product/119992/sozo-saved-healed-delivered
https://vyrso.com/product/124941/the-anointing-for-miracles
Experiencing the Heavenly Realms Expanded Edition: Keys to Accessing Supernatural Encounters
https://vyrso.com/product/68968/gods-answer-to-the-growing-crisis
https://vyrso.com/product/126436/hearing-god-through-your-dreams
We're looking into a bit more but these are all failing to convert and publish due to a missing ePub. We're following up with the publisher to find out why we don't have the ePub files.
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Kyle,
If time permits and you can look into the issue I posted here I'd appreciate it. Erin was looking into it I believe but then she left
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1. alabama24 said:None of what I wrote was an attack. Despite continued provocation from you, I am trying to continue talking about the issues.
What thread are you reading Alabama ? You are the one that brought me in to this thread by bringing up my comments in another thread. I had stayed away from this thread until you brought me into it
(http://community.logos.com/forums/p/133893/870133.aspx#870133)
No where did i provoke you in the following statement where I laid out my reasoning for why I questioned whether Vyrso should continue. My comments were quite clearly about actions of the leadership of faithlife and not about you in any way shape or form:
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:alabama24 said:Another forum member is of the opinion that Vyrso should be killed off. Do you think this?
Actually Alabama it's not what I want but what should happen based on Bob Pritchett's past actions. He has set the precedent for killing off Vyrso given its current state.
In the day so Libronix (L3, Libby, Series X etc) there was a third party company , E4 (Ephesians 4 Group) who produced low cost resources. Bob terminated their business Logos Research System business relationship with them, he said at the time on two grounds - 1) they produced low quality resources 2) they did not respond to customers....
... sounds to me a lot like what we now have with Vyrso...only difference is Bob Pritchett gets all of the money, the resources are still low quality and the customer service responses is just a poor.
He also terminated Galaxie from producing the theological journals - once again it was argued because they produced low quality resources.
So Alabama, its not about what I think, its about Bob Pritchett has already done in the past in similar situations.
I would be happy for Vyrso to continue if a basic level of quality assurance was in place to ensure table of contents work correctly and bible references are correctly tagged and somebody from the business actually responded to customers on the forums.
You are the one that made the provocative comments in this thread, I had said nothing about you until you came out with the following which I captured in a quote before you deleted it.
2. alabama24 said:Deciding that something I wrote was not helpful and deleting it is the sign of NOT being a bully.
It is a sign of what is in your heart towards me because we have very different views and you can't handle that. As per previous point you brought up the issues that are of concern to me. I had not commented on this thread until you brought my views into it.
The fact you put your words in Full Caps to shout at me is a sign of a bully. The fact you even thought in your heart you had the right to speak to me this way and you hit post shows you think because you have some perceived authority it was appropriate to speak in this way to a customer of this business. I have dealt with more bullies in my life than I would wish upon anyone and you are one. And the saddest thing is that the majority of those bullies have been christians who perceived they have authority over other christians whether that authority is real or not, and often they overstep that authority. Denying all you like your behaviour towards me is not being a bullish behaviour wont change what I have experienced in my life and won't change the fact that your behaviour towards me does fall into that category. The fact that you continue to deny it and all you can say about what you said was that it was not helpful only reinforces this to me.
alabama24 said:For the love... Just stop buying Vyrso books already. If you don't like them, and you want Vyrso killed off, STOP BUYING THEM ALREADY. There is no difference to YOU if Vyrso is killed off or not. If you don't like the service with Vyrso, or the quality, DONT BUY THEM.
If Vyrso is killed off or not makes no difference to you, so just give it up. If it is killed off or isn't, you still won't have these resources in Logos. But many of us do want them in our libraries.
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alabama24 said:I have never told you not to be a customer, but I did tell you to stop buying Vyrso books! On numerous occasions you have suggested that FL should shut down Vyrso. I don't agree and will continue to promote the benefit of the catalog.
Your highlighted words above speak, which I have repeated below clearly that you are saying to me to stop being a customer, it is your prefered solution to the situation. You made that clear by you use of full caps.
alabama24 said:STOP BUYING THEM ALREADY.
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alabama24 said:The nature of Vyrso resources is known. We know that some formatting issues will remain. We know that sometimes the auto hyperlink to scripture verses will go wonky. Bob has said this is what they will be like.
I have previously by choice not brought the following into this thread because it was not relevant at the time but you have now chose to bring it into the discussion. You knows it but more significantly Bob knows it yet he still persists in allowing the following lies to be made on the Vyrso website about the features and benefits of Vyrso. There is no disclaimer that as you put it, this feature is actually 'wonky' and the benefit is not fully realised as advertised. Despite know that Bob allows the following false claim that "Vyrso shows you the Bible passages that your ebooks reference."
This false claim is made not once but twice on the Vyrso website to potential customers not in the 'know' so you can't simply say this is known about Vyros resources so it is ok for Faithlife to lie in their marketing..
( https://vyrso.com/features )
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alabama24 said:Sometimes legitimate issues arise. Bringing these to FL's attention is a good thing. I know that Knute has been a bulldog in finding typos (in Logos edition resources), missing sections, etc. His efforts in that have been appreciated by me and others.
And here you go again attacking me again but trying to hide it but you use of bold text make is clear you are having a go at me and deciding my concerns about this company's lack of customer service and lack of quality control but willingness to take money off people is not a legitimate issue. If you are happy with that I have no issue you making that choice. My issue is that you are not willing to accept I have a different view to you. You are the one that continually tries to discredit the issues I raise by attempting to discredit me. You bully me and then cry I am the one that provoked you. Read the order of this thread as I pointed out earlier you are the one that brought me into it, you are the one that made the 'not helpful' as you justify them comments towards me before ai said anything about your behaviour towards me. For me these are legitimate issues, all I ask is you respect that, I don't ask you to agree. Please don't say I am the one that has trouble with people disagree with me. You are the one that wrote the following because you disagreed with me.
alabama24 said:For the love... Just stop buying Vyrso books already. If you don't like them, and you want Vyrso killed off, STOP BUYING THEM ALREADY. There is no difference to YOU if Vyrso is killed off or not. If you don't like the service with Vyrso, or the quality, DONT BUY THEM.
If Vyrso is killed off or not makes no difference to you, so just give it up. If it is killed off or isn't, you still won't have these resources in Logos. But many of us do want them in our libraries.
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alabama24 said:The forums are primarily an outlet for USERS. "Official" answers typically come from other means. If you want an "official" answer, call or write an email.
Where is the official statement from Faithlife? THere is nothing in the forum guidelines that states the forums are not for seeking answers from Faithlife. There is nothing on the Logos, Vyrso, Verbum or Noet sites that make this claim. In fact at times customers have come to the forums because Faithlife staff have told them to post here for help. And there are numerous occasions where Faithlife uses these forums for official means of communication and to answer questions.
I did not see you tell the OP to not use the forums to seek an answer to a question that is clearly one that only Faithlife can answer, in fact you step outside the bounds of your knowledge and tried to answer it even though you don't have the informaiton to do so. And I see you do this on many other threads. The only time you pull out what you are saying here in point 6 is when you have a problem because people disagree with you.
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alabama24 said:I do think much of what has transpired in this thread is a bit ironic/humorous. The original post here was about a delay in release. The OP asked for an explanation, which I provided (sometimes delays occur due to quality issues with the resource conversion). I am then attacked for making the "same ole same ole excuses, over and over, time and time again." Which is it? Should we be complaining about the "quality" of a resource, or the resource not being released on time because of quality issues? I am confused.
You are the one confused Alabama. I have already pointed out on a number instances already you have misread the order of events on this post and this is problem the most serious misread of all of them and shows you have a problem in your heart towards me. I never attacked you in this thread. It was Kenute who attacked you for "the same ole same ole excuses, over and over, time and time again". And since you copied word for word what he said but still want to attribute all of this upon and even now try and lay blame upon me for something i did not say, it is the clearest evidence yet that you have a problem in your heart towards me because we differ on this topic.
Alabama please get your facts right next time before attribute something to me I never said and never spoke about until you brought personally brought my views into this thread after this attach was made upon you by someone else.
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
You are the one that brought me in to this thread by bringing up my comments in another thread.
My comment was that "Another forum member is of the opinion that Vyrso should be killed off." Why do you assume that you were the "other member"? I didn't bring you into this thread in any way.
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:The fact you put your words in Full Caps to shout at me is a sign of a bully.
Which is why I deleted it a few minutes after I posted it when I realized that it could come across other than I had intended. I was not trying to bully anyone. I am, however, frustrated by the continued notion that Vyrso should be killed off. If this doesn't apply to you, then don't read yourself into the comment.
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:Bob knows it yet he still persists in allowing the following lies to be made on the Vyrso website about the features and benefits of Vyrso.
Please take your concerns to Bob, if you haven't already. I have had my own issues with marketing in the past. In those instances, I went to the people involved.
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:And here you go again attacking me again but trying to hide it but you use of bold text make is clear you are having a go at me
No, I am not having a "go" at you. You read way too much into my posts. Some have suggested that I don't want any complaints posted in the forums, which simply isn't true. I have posted some of my own... although more often than not I send an email.
Disciple of Christ (doc) said:It was Kenute who attacked you for "the same ole same ole excuses, over and over, time and time again". And since you copied word for word what he said but still want to attribute all of this upon and even now try and lay blame upon me for something i did not say, it is the clearest evidence yet that you have a problem in your heart towards me because we differ on this topic.
I didn't attribute that to you! I didn't attribute it to anyone because I am doing my best to keep this from being personal.
I am finished with this thread and will give you the last word, if you so desire. If you were in town, I would offer you Starbucks so we could perhaps stop reading into things in the forums. Alas, you will have to settle for one here. [C][:)]
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Kyle G. Anderson said:Jan Krohn said:
* Finding Your Child’s Way on the Autism Spectrum: Discovering Unique Strengths, Mastering Behavior Challenges mixed up images (for example image 5 is the same as image 3, but I suspect a lot more image inconsistencies)
I'm not finding any images in this resource. Is this the right resource?
You're absolutely right. :-)
This is the correct resource:
Kyle G. Anderson said:Jan Krohn said:* The Story of King Jesus about half the content is missing
Likewise, I'm not finding any obvious material missing. Could you point me to something specific? i.e. "after the part about ... you should see ... but it's not there."
Please have a look at this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/121150.aspx
Kyle G. Anderson said:Jan Krohn said:* Bible Overview Title, cover and price of this book suggest that this is the Rose Bible Overview, however, the content that was delivered is the Bible Overview Pamphlet.
I took a quick look at amazon for the Bible Overview Pamphlet and the Pamphlet appears to be a bunch of charts which the vyrso edition is not. https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Overview-pamphlet-Themes-Verses/dp/1890947717/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1481739736&sr=8-2&keywords=rose+bible+overview
I did discover it looks like Rose did a major revision of the Bible Overview in around 2012. We're selling the 2005 edition. Since vyrso.com doesn't display publication dates that info isn't very helpful. I'm going to put in a request to see if vyrso.com can start displaying that info.
Apart from formatting, the Vyrso Bible Overview and the Kindle Bible Overview Pamphlet look virtually the same to me...
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Thanks Jan. That's very helpful. I'll get back to you.
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Kyle
We are missing another free book today from David cook. Could this be added?
http://www.dccebooks.com/products/the-wiersbe-bible-study-series-genesis-1-11
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One publisher told me they had already sent the files to Faithlife and that it was an automated process.
If they are being sent to an old e-mail address of a former Faithlife employee that could explain a lot!0 -
Steve Haller said:
One publisher told me they had already sent the files to Faithlife and that it was an automated process.
If they are being sent to an old e-mail address of a former Faithlife employee that could explain a lot!And if it is this is a very poor setup- no company should have a employee receive such files they should come to the company and then get distributed.
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Mattillo said:
Kyle
We are missing another free book today from David cook. Could this be added?
http://www.dccebooks.com/products/the-wiersbe-bible-study-series-genesis-1-11
It is quite apparent that Logos is no longer spending any effort on Vyrso.
1. The last Vyrso blog update was Sept.
2. David C Cook posts a free ebook twice a week that is available from all ebook vendors. Vyrso is no longer listed as one of the vendors. The free title is usually not listed as free from Vyrso. Previously, Vyrso always was synced to Cook's free books.
3. Other ebook publishers are offering many ebook titles that are available free or on sale from other ebook vendors. Vyrso has had very few free or sale titles in recent months.
4. For a few weeks, Vyrso sent out emails of featured sale titles. That was very helpful. Has not happened for several weeks now.
5. A large number of the Best Books of 2016 (from various lists) are not available in Logos format.
http://www.challies.com/articles/the-collected-best-christian-books-of-2016
Many (most?) Logos users prefer having their ebook titles in Vyrso format instead of Kindle. At this point, we begin wondering if we should continue waiting for titles to appear in Vyrso, or give up and buy the Kindle version.
Bob has always been good about giving Logos users a sense of direction for the company. I don't recall hearing Bob address Vyrso in a very long time.
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I agree. Unfortunately Bob will never see this post as FL rarely checks this forum
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I think Bob's got a lot on his plate. You could email Phil or another executive you know.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
I think Bob's got a lot on his plate. You could email Phil or another executive you know.
I emailed Bob and others at Logos a few months ago about this and had no response.
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That's unfortunate. In my experience, unanswered emails from FL indicate the issue won't be resolved.
I suppose there are some things that can't take their attention away from the many other things they want or need to do, but it would be nice if the email could be passed along to someone who might be able to respond and/or resolve the issue.
Unfortunately, the layoffs didn't just hurt those laid off, but also affected customers who had a good relationship with those employees, and relied on them to resolve issues like this.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Agreed 100% Edwin Bowden
Which makes me wonder, why have VYRSO at all, if you are not going to take proper care of it, and give good customer service. This is not good customer service at all, but a downward spiral, when it comes to VYRSO.
Also agree with you PetahChristian as well.
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Kenute P. Curry said:
Which makes me wonder, why have VYRSO at all, if you are not going to take proper care of it, and give good customer service. This is not good customer service at all, but a downward spiral, when it comes to VYRSO.
I definitely agree that customer service is important, and not dealing with issues can generate some ill will among the customers.
However a Vyrso with issues is better than no Vyrso at all, since we'd lose out on a significant number of books that would never make it to the Logos store.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Why wouldn't they make it to the LOGOS store PetahChristian ?
Just combine LOGOS and VYRSO together; simple as that.
The right thing to do would be not to let VYRSO run on automated processes - hence all of the mistakes and glitches in books that we have see lately.At least some one should be there to oversee and take care of VYRSO.
Hence, the foul-ups, mistakes, and errors that we are now experiencing VYRSO, since Erin Land, Katie, and Carly were removed.
It is terrible!!!!
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Kenute P. Curry said:
Just combine LOGOS and VYRSO together; simple as that.
That is not financial responsible which is why Vyrso was created. The choice is automated processes or nothing. Was there an announcement re: Erin, Katie and Carly? I missed some posts somewhere as I don't watch vyrso closesly.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Kenute P. Curry said:
The right thing to do would be not to let VYRSO run on automated processes
There is a place for what they are doing with Vyrso.but it needs to be done with integrity and honesty - Faithlife need to remove the lies from their advertising of the features and benefits by being upfront in their advertising of the limits of the model. And it particularly saddens me that I have raised this with Bob Pritchett and he has not made any effort to have the misleading information removed or corrected with a disclaimer. Much of the problem lies in the type of books they are trying to put through this automation process. Put the right type of books through the automation process and back it up with someone monitoring the forums to fix the inevitable issues.
Kenute P. Curry said:At least some one should be there to oversee and take care of VYRSO.
This is without question absolutely necessary. It's only a matter of time before we see another Cosmopolitan Guide to Great Sex or worse appearing in he catalogue.
Kenute P. Curry said:It is terrible!!!!
When you look at what Faithlife has done in the past in shutting down third party operations for poor quality and low customer service operations but now have set up their own poor quality low quality customer service operation shop front and you couple that with the misleading advertising then "It is terrible!!!!" is probably the nicest way I could put it Kenute.
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I completely agree with you 100% Disciple of Christ (doc)
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Kenute P. Curry said:
Why wouldn't they make it to the LOGOS store PetahChristian ? Just combine LOGOS and VYRSO together; simple as that. The right thing to do would be not to let VYRSO run on automated processes
Combining both stores, or even the production process, is just not possible.
The point is that Logos and Vyrso have radically different contracts between Faithlife and the book publishers. Basically the Vyrso contract works for the publisher like a contract with any ebook reseller out there - and it surely stipulates a "hands off, don't tamper with our content" clause. On the other hand, the automated process keeps cost down, so Vyrso can offer competitive prices (and a fast delivery - it takes years to make a Logos edition).
What's more: many publishers are not interested in contracting for Logos versions. Whether they just think it's too complex, or a too small chunk of the overall volume to bother or other reasons is up to them. Others play both stores, but they have their reasons which books to send to Vyrso, too.
So for contractual reasons, Faithlife can't just combine those, or treat Vyrso books like they were Logos editions.
On the other hand, there's of course the financial factors. Logos books are more expensive than available ebook versions, which finds its reason in the complex and expensive production process. I've no idea whether the publishers get less per book from a Logos version or even more, but it will require a long wait until a Logos book is produced, which is absolute poison in today's business environment and may keep publishers from going the Logos route.
So, as long as Vyrso exists, it gives an affordable way to get books into the Logos library that we otherwise would not see there at all.
It makes me sick to read disparaging comments about Vyrso books, and people seemingly asking for a shut-down of Vyrso. Those who don't want Vyrso books, are not obliged to buy them or even take notice of their existence.
Kenute P. Curry said:At least some one should be there to oversee and take care of VYRSO.
Yes, this is definitely true. Some things seem to need manual intervention, like being part of publisher's sales (and letting that slip throws a bad light at Faithlife, no arguments about it) and of answering quality-related posts in the forum.
While quality issues are rare and often overstated (even academic theological works usually work just fine in Vyrso, but will lack links from their cited sources to other Logos resources - which way too often will frustrate users of expensive Logos resources, too), leaving the impression that Faithlife just doesn't care would be bad. Thanks to Kyle for picking things up over here.
Have joy in the Lord!
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