https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134531/dracula
Time for a beach party!
To be clear: this does not reflect a general policy. We're not even taking a particular position on the contents of this book. The only reason we are pulling it is that the last time we posted a version of it there was a contentious conversation that took a lot of time and energy (physical and emotional) and resulted in the decision to remove the book. Rather than risk that same protracted, contentious discussion for a book that is tangentially related to our core catalog and competencies, we removed it.
I can appreciate that this is not the most popular decision and I can appreciate that many people are upset about it. I'm not even sure as I'm writing this that it is the best long-term decision. For now, this is where we're at.
Awesome would be metadata tagging to enable library filter, which enables eBooks to be included or excluded from searches as desired. Please include eBook Store name in Subject plus please copy Vyrso and Noet genre(s) for an eBook into Subject. The eBook stores already have genre(s). Some threads requesting Vyrso library filtering: Collection without Fiction books. How do I separate out my wife's fiction in Logos & Vyrso please? This would require extra work outside of the automatic processing of files provided by publishers. .... - so it will be interesting to see what response you get KS4J for your suggestions today to improve the Vyrso format.
Awesome would be metadata tagging to enable library filter, which enables eBooks to be included or excluded from searches as desired. Please include eBook Store name in Subject plus please copy Vyrso and Noet genre(s) for an eBook into Subject. The eBook stores already have genre(s). Some threads requesting Vyrso library filtering: Collection without Fiction books. How do I separate out my wife's fiction in Logos & Vyrso please?
Awesome would be metadata tagging to enable library filter, which enables eBooks to be included or excluded from searches as desired. Please include eBook Store name in Subject plus please copy Vyrso and Noet genre(s) for an eBook into Subject. The eBook stores already have genre(s).
Some threads requesting Vyrso library filtering:
This would require extra work outside of the automatic processing of files provided by publishers. .... - so it will be interesting to see what response you get KS4J for your suggestions today to improve the Vyrso format.
Since genre(s) are already associated with each Vyrso and Noet eBook product (for web stores), processing to duplicate genre(s) and store name into subject metadata could be automated.
Keep Smiling [:D]
..is he trying to sell the overpriced upgrade too?
The only reason we are pulling it is that the last time we posted a version of it there was a contentious conversation that took a lot of time and energy (physical and emotional) and resulted in the decision to remove the book.
I see this as a reason to keep it up. Last time was on Logos which has a religious focus; this time was on Noet which has an educational focus. I do not trust an educational publisher or institution that doesn't have the guts to stand by legitimate resources and ideas. Truth is not determined by popularity and finding truth is not learned by isolation. You (corporation not Ben personally) disappoint me.
It's not an easy call one way or the other
It should be easy and would be if you hadn't blown it before. Would you censor Timothy Beale's Religion and It's Monsters? You want to limit my ability to track references from the following?
Basic Search for Dracula
Exported from Verbum, 2:37 PM January 19, 2017.
You can't claim that it is "common practice" to avoid the topic within the mainstream evangelical religious literature - it is simply your capitulation to a few loud voices. Did you have the decency to verify that they had good reasons actually based on the text before you imposed their will on the rest of us?
The only reason we are pulling it is that the last time we posted a version of it there was a contentious conversation that took a lot of time and energy (physical and emotional) and resulted in the decision to remove the book. I see this as a reason to keep it up. Last time was on Logos which has a religious focus; this time was on Noet which has an educational focus. I do not trust an educational publisher or institution that doesn't have the guts to stand by legitimate resources and ideas. Truth is not determined by popularity and finding truth is not learned by isolation. You (corporation not Ben personally) disappoint me.
[Y] well stated, MJ.
MJ, I'll go ahead and apologize, since I've no wish to offend.
But Logos routinely refuses books whose slant they (somebody there) don't seem to like. And well within religious scholarship. Heavily referenced.
I guess I'm having trouble with Dracula, while far great examples are routine. (Notice how I carefully avoided naming them. I'm no dummy.)
Last time was on Logos which has a religious focus; this time was on Noet which has an educational focus.
And this is the point. I didn't agree with it being taken off of Logos, but it didn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be there, so it wasn't that big of a deal, but Noet is supposed to be the place for it. That's what the anger in the other thread was aimed at. People did not want it in Logos proper.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL REASON NOT TO HAVE DRACULA IN THE NOET STORE.
What is the controversial material in Frankenstein? (I've never read it and only seen the movie years ago).
I agree although I see a difference between not pursuing a resource and pulling a resource.
There are hundreds of books going up at ebooks.noet and we have to filter them to remove certain content (you can find other posts where some of that has slipped through). We generally choose to err on the side of caution in cases like this.
The interesting thing to me is what can still be found when searching for Dracula on the site.
I'm so glad you asked this question.
Let me tell you this. Three years ago I had my Honors 9th Grade Class read Frankenstein; or the Modern Prometheus. It was for several reasons:
1) It's a BRILLIANT story.
2) It's a story (among other themes) about a created being's desire to connect with his creator and humanity.
3) I wanted to show that one cannot watch the movie in order to grasp the gist of a book, as not ONE Frankenstein movie even remotely comes close to accurately depicting the content of the book. So, I had my students read the book, which they universally LOVED, and then we watched the movie, which they universally hated in light of the having read the book.
I think that what is controversial about Frankenstein is that people THINK it's a horror book of the gory type, when in reality it falls into two genres as a Gothic novel and a soft science fiction novel. Honestly, it's such a beautifully written story that I tell everyone I know...READ IT! It's one of my top favorite classic novels!
The only reason we are pulling it is that the last time we posted a version of it there was a contentious conversation that took a lot of time and energy (physical and emotional) and resulted in the decision to remove the book. I see this as a reason to keep it up. Last time was on Logos which has a religious focus; this time was on Noet which has an educational focus. I do not trust an educational publisher or institution that doesn't have the guts to stand by legitimate resources and ideas. Truth is not determined by popularity and finding truth is not learned by isolation. You (corporation not Ben personally) disappoint me. well stated, MJ.
well stated, MJ.
AGREED!
Not sure why Frankenstein was pulled. That should be live again.
Honestly, it's such a beautifully written story that I tell everyone I know...READ IT! It's one of my top favorite classic novels!
I second that. It's a brilliant story well worth reading. Glad it seems to be coming back to Noet now.
Well, thanks for putting Frankenstein back! Now I have them both Drac and Frankie. Time to read and refresh those cool stories! 👍😁
DAL
Ps. How about putting The Picture of Dorian Gray on sale for 99 cents too 👌
Well, thanks for putting Frankenstein back! Now I have them both Drac and Frankie. Time to read and refresh those cool stories! 👍😁 DAL Ps. How about putting The Picture of Dorian Gray on sale for 99 cents too 👌
How come I can't find it? Are you saying it's on Noet?
https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134608/the-picture-of-dorian-gray
Well, thanks for putting Frankenstein back! Now I have them both Drac and Frankie. Time to read and refresh those cool stories! 👍😁 DAL Ps. How about putting The Picture of Dorian Gray on sale for 99 cents too 👌 How come I can't find it? Are you saying it's on Noet?
How come I can't find it? Are you saying it's on Noet? https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134608/the-picture-of-dorian-gray
Wow, thanks FL! Now it's going for 99 cents! Now all we need is the whole Penny Dreadful collection 👍😁
How can we find out if Frankenstein on Noet is the 1818 or 1831 version (and there is quite a difference IMHO)? Noet should really make sure to state which version they have.
What is the controversial material in Frankenstein? (I've never read it and only seen the movie years ago). Not sure why Frankenstein was pulled. That should be live again.
Thanks!!
What is the controversial material in Frankenstein? (I've never read it and only seen the movie years ago). I'm so glad you asked this question. Let me tell you this. Three years ago I had my Honors 9th Grade Class read Frankenstein; or the Modern Prometheus. It was for several reasons: 1) It's a BRILLIANT story. 2) It's a story (among other themes) about a created being's desire to connect with his creator and humanity. 3) I wanted to show that one cannot watch the movie in order to grasp the gist of a book, as not ONE Frankenstein movie even remotely comes close to accurately depicting the content of the book. So, I had my students read the book, which they universally LOVED, and then we watched the movie, which they universally hated in light of the having read the book. I think that what is controversial about Frankenstein is that people THINK it's a horror book of the gory type, when in reality it falls into two genres as a Gothic novel and a soft science fiction novel. Honestly, it's such a beautifully written story that I tell everyone I know...READ IT! It's one of my top favorite classic novels!
Cynthia,
Thanks for taking the time to reply - very helpful.
Which one do you think is better?
It's also available in this collection on Logos. Of course, it's more expensive.
https://www.logos.com/product/40346/select-works-of-oscar-wilde
Amazon has Frankenstein by Open Road and one of the reviews says it's the 1818 version and another says it's not. So, not much help there.
1) It's a BRILLIANT story. 2) It's a story (among other themes) about a created being's desire to connect with his creator and humanity. 3) I wanted to show that one cannot watch the movie in order to grasp the gist of a book, as not ONE Frankenstein movie even remotely comes close to accurately depicting the content of the book. So, I had my students read the book, which they universally LOVED, and then we watched the movie, which they universally hated in light of the having read the book. I think that what is controversial about Frankenstein is that people THINK it's a horror book of the gory type, when in reality it falls into two genres as a Gothic novel and a soft science fiction novel. Honestly, it's such a beautifully written story that I tell everyone I know...READ IT! It's one of my top favorite classic novels!
Totally agree![Y]
I agree with you but this has been suggested before and rejected because it requires additional work, even taking into account automation of data into metadata. I agree it should be done and the reasons for it not being done are not acceptable. I really hope FL listen one day and do this but I won't hold my breath waiting.
Awesome would be metadata tagging to enable library filter, which enables eBooks to be included or excluded from searches as desired. Please include eBook Store name in Subject plus please copy Vyrso and Noet genre(s) for an eBook into Subject. The eBook stores already have genre(s). Some threads requesting Vyrso library filtering: Collection without Fiction books. How do I separate out my wife's fiction in Logos & Vyrso please? This would require extra work outside of the automatic processing of files provided by publishers. .... - so it will be interesting to see what response you get KS4J for your suggestions today to improve the Vyrso format. Since genre(s) are already associated with each Vyrso and Noet eBook product (for web stores), processing to duplicate genre(s) and store name into subject metadata could be automated. Keep Smiling
Keep Smiling
Definitely the 1818 version. The 1818 version is Shelley's original work, but changes in philosophy and death of her second child and husband influenced several changes in the 1831 version. Also, it is said that her husband had suggested many of the changes in the 1831 version which were stylistic. The result is some significant changes in the characteristics and motivations of Dr. Victor Frankenstein, Walton and Clerval.
From cross-ref.it
More on some differences between the texts of 1818 and 1831: the 1831 text is differently structured: after Letters 1-4, the chapters are through-numbered, from 1 to 24; this to a large extent obscures the original division into three volumes and also affects the reader's awareness of how Walton, Frankenstein and the monster's narratives are bracketed one within another; the epigraph from Milton's Paradise Lost that appeared on the title page of the first edition has been removed: Did I request thee, Maker, from my clay To mould me man? Did I solicit thee From darkness to promote me?— the absence of these lines (which some modern editors of the 1831 edition restore) removes the announcement of a key theme of the novel, as seen from the point of view of Frankenstein's creation; Mary Shelley removed many of the references to new scientific ideas, thus detaching the novel from its original intellectual context and the issues that were being debated both publicly and in the Byron-Shelley circle; Frankenstein's character is very differently conceived: whereas in the 1818 version there are many points at which he could exercise free will and choose not to carry on with his experiments, in the 1831 text he is seen as being, like all human beings, entirely at the mercy of fate, helpless to counteract the forces of chance that appear to control the universe. There's much more I could say but I don't want to because it don't want to spoil it for readers.
There's much more I could say but I don't want to because it don't want to spoil it for readers.
Definitely the 1818 version. The 1818 version is Shelley's original work, but changes in philosophy and death of her second child and husband influenced several changes in the 1831 version.
That's vey helpful to know. I've only read the 1831 edition yet, and looking forward to reading the 1818 text now.
Definitely the 1818 version. The 1818 version is Shelley's original work, but changes in philosophy and death of her second child and husband influenced several changes in the 1831 version. That's vey helpful to know. I've only read the 1831 edition yet, and looking forward to reading the 1818 text now.
The literature teacher in me is always passionate about these discoveries. I'm always glad to help. Enjoy!
Definitely the 1818 version. The 1818 version is Shelley's original work, but changes in philosophy and death of her second child and husband influenced several changes in the 1831 version. That's vey helpful to know. I've only read the 1831 edition yet, and looking forward to reading the 1818 text now. The literature teacher in me is always passionate about these discoveries. I'm always glad to help. Enjoy!
BTW...don't know if most of you know this, but Librivox.org https://librivox.org/
is a volunteer driven website/app that has THOUSANDS of books online and recorded that you can download for free. They are all books in the public domain, and in some instances there are several recorded copies, so I always click around a bit and choose a volume where I really like the reader's voice(s). For those who spend time in the car, it's a great way to "read" lots of book...100% for free. I use this site because some of my students struggle with reading and so I tell them that they are to listen to the book, but follow along with it in their book. It enhances their understanding.
Anyway, just thought I would share that site. It's fantastic, especially since you can download the app (much like Amazon's Audible), and it's 100% FREE (great price, don't you think?)
Well, thanks for putting Frankenstein back!
Link?
Give me a link please, I still cant find it [:(]
https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134530/frankenstein
I missed out on Frankenstein
https://ebooks.noet.com/products/134530/frankenstein [:D]
Thanks for the link [:D]
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I did know about Librivox - just need to make more use of it . Thanks for the insight on the two editions, would be interesting to have them both in Noet and be able to run a Text comparison.
Did we get a definitive determination on which text the Open Road has published?
Definitely the 1818 version. The 1818 version is Shelley's original work, but changes in philosophy and death of her second child and husband influenced several changes in the 1831 version. That's vey helpful to know. I've only read the 1831 edition yet, and looking forward to reading the 1818 text now. The literature teacher in me is always passionate about these discoveries. I'm always glad to help. Enjoy! BTW...don't know if most of you know this, but Librivox.org https://librivox.org/ is a volunteer driven website/app that has THOUSANDS of books online and recorded that you can download for free. They are all books in the public domain, and in some instances there are several recorded copies, so I always click around a bit and choose a volume where I really like the reader's voice(s). For those who spend time in the car, it's a great way to "read" lots of book...100% for free. I use this site because some of my students struggle with reading and so I tell them that they are to listen to the book, but follow along with it in their book. It enhances their understanding. Anyway, just thought I would share that site. It's fantastic, especially since you can download the app (much like Amazon's Audible), and it's 100% FREE (great price, don't you think?)
I don't have a definitive answer yet, but I think it may the later edition and not the 1818.
Either way - I'm glad to have it.
I did know about Librivox - just need to make more use of it . Thanks for the insight on the two editions, would be interesting to have them both in Noet and be able to run a Text comparison. Did we get a definitive determination on which text the Open Road has published? Definitely the 1818 version. The 1818 version is Shelley's original work, but changes in philosophy and death of her second child and husband influenced several changes in the 1831 version. That's vey helpful to know. I've only read the 1831 edition yet, and looking forward to reading the 1818 text now. The literature teacher in me is always passionate about these discoveries. I'm always glad to help. Enjoy! BTW...don't know if most of you know this, but Librivox.org https://librivox.org/ is a volunteer driven website/app that has THOUSANDS of books online and recorded that you can download for free. They are all books in the public domain, and in some instances there are several recorded copies, so I always click around a bit and choose a volume where I really like the reader's voice(s). For those who spend time in the car, it's a great way to "read" lots of book...100% for free. I use this site because some of my students struggle with reading and so I tell them that they are to listen to the book, but follow along with it in their book. It enhances their understanding. Anyway, just thought I would share that site. It's fantastic, especially since you can download the app (much like Amazon's Audible), and it's 100% FREE (great price, don't you think?)
My pleasure. Glad to help. I have not seen anything definitive but it probably is the 1831 Version.
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That's the same then I already have as dead tree...
Shame. The 1818 version sounds interesting. Maybe it will also come to Noet.
That's the same then I already have as dead tree... Shame. The 1818 version sounds interesting. Maybe it will also come to Noet.
You can read the 1818 version here online OR, download it in one of many formats.
https://archive.org/details/Frankenstein1818Edition
That's the same then I already have as dead tree... Shame. The 1818 version sounds interesting. Maybe it will also come to Noet. You can read the 1818 version here online OR, download it in one of many formats. https://archive.org/details/Frankenstein1818Edition
I found also a text comparison version on the web - very interesting: http://juxtacommons.org/shares/Nme50n/sidebyside?docs=453,452&top=0.04881131405978068
That's the same then I already have as dead tree... Shame. The 1818 version sounds interesting. Maybe it will also come to Noet. You can read the 1818 version here online OR, download it in one of many formats. https://archive.org/details/Frankenstein1818Edition I found also a text comparison version on the web - very interesting: http://juxtacommons.org/shares/Nme50n/sidebyside?docs=453,452&top=0.04881131405978068
Oh my goodness! This is fabulous!!!!
It's not an easy call one way or the other It should be easy and would be if you hadn't blown it before. Would you censor Timothy Beale's Religion and It's Monsters? You want to limit my ability to track references from the following? Basic Search for Dracula C. S. Lewis for the Third Millennium: Six Essays on The Abolition of Man 1 result in 1 article Christianity Today, 2006, Volume 50, Numbers 1–12 3 results in 2 articles Christianity Today, 2007, Volume 51, Numbers 1–12 1 result in 1 article Christianity Today, 2010, Volume 54, Numbers 1–12 2 results in 2 articles Diccionario General de la Lengua Española Vox 1 result in 1 article Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, Volumes I–XIII 1 result in 1 article Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations 1 result in 1 article Jacob’s Ladder: Ten Steps to Truth 2 results in 2 articles Literature: A Student's Guide 2 results in 2 articles Literature: A Student’s Guide 2 results in 2 articles Love Worth Giving 1 result in 1 article The Mystery of Providence; Or, The Prophetic History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire: A Historical Exposition of Rev. 8, 9 1 result in 1 article Near Eastern Archaeology, Volume 69, Nos. 1–4, 2006 1 result in 1 article Nelson’s Big Book of Laughter 1 result in 1 article Reading from Right to Left: Essays on the Hebrew Bible in Honour of David J. A. Clines 1 result in 1 article A Refutation of Moral Relativism: Interviews with an Absolutist 4 results in 1 article Review of Biblical Literature: 2001 4 results in 1 article Socrates Meets Sartre: The Father of Philosophy Meets the Founder of Existentialism 3 results in 1 article Themelios: Volume 25, No. 3, June 2000 1 result in 1 article Themelios: Volume 35, No. 3, November 2010 1 result in 1 article Exported from Verbum, 2:37 PM January 19, 2017. You can't claim that it is "common practice" to avoid the topic within the mainstream evangelical religious literature - it is simply your capitulation to a few loud voices. Did you have the decency to verify that they had good reasons actually based on the text before you imposed their will on the rest of us?
[Y] I agree completely and entirely with MJ. Noet is the correct venue for these ebooks and i am very disappointed that Faithlife is censoring classic literature on the Noet platform.
It seems to me that if someone believes that Dracula shouldn't be in the Logos lineup, they should probably have it in their Logos library in order to research and prove their claim.
It's not an easy call one way or the other It should be easy and would be if you hadn't blown it before. Would you censor Timothy Beale's Religion and It's Monsters? You want to limit my ability to track references from the following? Basic Search for Dracula C. S. Lewis for the Third Millennium: Six Essays on The Abolition of Man 1 result in 1 article Christianity Today, 2006, Volume 50, Numbers 1–12 3 results in 2 articles Christianity Today, 2007, Volume 51, Numbers 1–12 1 result in 1 article Christianity Today, 2010, Volume 54, Numbers 1–12 2 results in 2 articles Diccionario General de la Lengua Española Vox 1 result in 1 article Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, Volumes I–XIII 1 result in 1 article Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations 1 result in 1 article Jacob’s Ladder: Ten Steps to Truth 2 results in 2 articles Literature: A Student's Guide 2 results in 2 articles Literature: A Student’s Guide 2 results in 2 articles Love Worth Giving 1 result in 1 article The Mystery of Providence; Or, The Prophetic History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire: A Historical Exposition of Rev. 8, 9 1 result in 1 article Near Eastern Archaeology, Volume 69, Nos. 1–4, 2006 1 result in 1 article Nelson’s Big Book of Laughter 1 result in 1 article Reading from Right to Left: Essays on the Hebrew Bible in Honour of David J. A. Clines 1 result in 1 article A Refutation of Moral Relativism: Interviews with an Absolutist 4 results in 1 article Review of Biblical Literature: 2001 4 results in 1 article Socrates Meets Sartre: The Father of Philosophy Meets the Founder of Existentialism 3 results in 1 article Themelios: Volume 25, No. 3, June 2000 1 result in 1 article Themelios: Volume 35, No. 3, November 2010 1 result in 1 article Exported from Verbum, 2:37 PM January 19, 2017. You can't claim that it is "common practice" to avoid the topic within the mainstream evangelical religious literature - it is simply your capitulation to a few loud voices. Did you have the decency to verify that they had good reasons actually based on the text before you imposed their will on the rest of us? I agree completely and entirely with MJ. Noet is the correct venue for these ebooks and i am very disappointed that Faithlife is censoring classic literature on the Noet platform.
I agree completely and entirely with MJ. Noet is the correct venue for these ebooks and i am very disappointed that Faithlife is censoring classic literature on the Noet platform.
Interesting. I haven't read Bram Stoker's Dracula, so I don't have an informed opinion on the content of the book itself. Here, however, are some more basic search results (with some like John Gill referring to "Dracula, the governor of Walachia" or "Vlad the Impaler"):
I also recall mention of Dracula in the introduction to a Great Courses lecture series on A History of Eastern Europe, although I haven't listened through this entire course yet.
[Y] - In total agreement with MJ.
