Logos 7 Basic Available Now (formerly free core engine)
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This is really really good. Thanks.
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Is there a Basic Logos in Spanish?
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Before I go plugging this everywhere, I do not wish to mislead. Does this sentence mean that a feature or resource may randomly disappear in a month, or without warning?
"*The features, datasets, and books provided in Logos 7 Basic are “access-only”, which means you have access to them, but do not own them permanently."
I'm also interested in hearing a definitive answer from Faithlife staff about this before I can recommend it.
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Before I go plugging this everywhere, I do not wish to mislead. Does this sentence mean that a feature or resource may randomly disappear in a month, or without warning?
"*The features, datasets, and books provided in Logos 7 Basic are “access-only”, which means you have access to them, but do not own them permanently."
I'm also interested in hearing a definitive answer from Faithlife staff about this before I can recommend it.
Ben and Allen, I'm sorry for the delay in replying to this question. Logos Basic has far exceeded our wildest expectations so far. We weren't planning to officially launch it until Monday, but it's already gone viral on its own—globally—via social media. So we had to accelerate some our of plans for Monday.
Here's the way we're thinking about access vs. ownership:
- We're modeling this after the approach we've taken with our mobile apps. Users who download the Logos Bible app get access to some free resources, but they don't own them. This allows us to change the contents quite easily: add a new resource, swap one for another, or in rare cases remove when when a rightsholder no longer wants their resource included.
- We don't plan to make many changes to the contents of the product. A user can count on having a good solid core of Bible study tools and content, even if there is some slight variation occasionally.
- When we do make changes, it's more likely that we'll swap or add something than remove it.
- When we're swapping or removing a title, we'll try to get sufficient advanced notice—and we'll probably provide the opportunity to purchase it at a discount to keep it permanently.
- We'll probably experiment with adding a free interactive, dataset, feature, or book free for a week every once in a while to allow people to try out some of the things not included in Basic. For example, we may grant free access to the Psalms Explorer interactive resource for one week. Having the collection be access-only makes that really easy for us to execute.
Several of the items included in Logos Basic are available separately for free on Logos.com. A user could buy them to convert their temporary licenses into permanent ones. That's probably a good idea for everyone to do.
I hope this helps. Let me know if there's anything that needs further clarification.
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Is there a Basic Logos in Spanish?
Not yet. But we're considering it.
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One thing which wasn't clear: Will these resources be made available to the user on mobile?
Yes.
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As usual, either a sloppy presentation or misleading. According to the above, if we switch from Logos 6 to Logos 7, we lose the Atlas, Bible Sense. Timeline, Passage Analysis, and Pronunciation. I certainly won't be taking that step until such time as that's cleared up for us.
No, that's a misunderstanding of how licensing works. Since you already own those features, you will still own those features when you upgrade to the free Logos 7 engine.
Logos 7 Basic doesn't remove any features you already have. It adds features where people who did not have Logos had none.
Correct. We don't revoke your permanent licenses.
Logos 7 Basic is aimed at the new user, but will also serve as the free update to Logos 7 for the existing base package owner.
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Thank you, Phil, for the clarifications, and Faithlife for the good idea.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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One other question: has consideration been given to having a Logos 7 Basic Forum?
I know we have a lot of forums, but new users might find it helpful to browse in a Forum addressing only their limited set of resources and capabilities. (Then, again, they'd see some other things Logos could do by coming to the Logos 7 Forum.) Just a thought.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Here's the way we're thinking about access vs. ownership:
Thanks, Phil. That clarifies it.
Appreciated.
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Thank you, Phil, for the clarifications, and Faithlife for the good idea.
You're welcome, Mark. We're excited about the potential of introducing millions of people to deeper Bible study who either couldn't otherwise afford it or wouldn't be able to justify the expense without first trying it.
One other question: has consideration been given to having a Logos 7 Basic Forum?
I know we have a lot of forums, but new users might find it helpful to browse in a Forum addressing only their limited set of resources and capabilities. (Then, again, they'd see some other things Logos could do by coming to the Logos 7 Forum.) Just a thought.
Yes. We discussed this on Friday. We'll definitely have a Faithlife group, but we may have a forum as well for those who make their way there and need beginner-level help. Thanks for suggesting it.
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Here's the way we're thinking about access vs. ownership:
Thanks, Phil. That clarifies it.
Appreciated.
Great. You're welcome!
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I am very thankful for the free Logos 7 basic. I do have one question: My reverse interlinear Bibles now show Person tagging, when right-clicking on a name and I can jump from there to Factbook. But a bible search for a person (for example <Person Joshua (son of Nun)>) will not show any results. Is that expected behavior? In Factbook I can basically see that information in the Lemmas section, but there it is of course sorted by the different lemmas used.
(I don't own any previous base package. I have already rebuild my index.)
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Is that expected behavior?
I also get no results in Logos 7 Basic when I run your search. It is unexpected, since Logos forms the search from the right click menu, but produces no results.
I doubt this is meant to happen.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Is that expected behavior?
I also get no results in Logos 7 Basic when I run your search. It is unexpected, since Logos forms the search from the right click menu, but produces no results.
I doubt this is meant to happen.
You will not get results in your Bibles because L7 Basic does not include the Biblical Referents database which makes those <Person> searches possible**. The Biblical People dataset in L7 Basic provides (I think) some data for Factbook and allows the recognition of proper names for <Person> in the Context menu of bibles. This includes instances where, for example, "Jerusalem" means "people of Jerusalem", otherwise Places and Things are not recognised because their datasets are not included. The Referents database also allows recognition (and searches) for pronouns, verbs and even adjectives where they refer to a Person, Place or Thing.
** you will get results in non-bible resources where there is a media tag for <Person>. Referents works in original language bibles and reverse interlinear bibles that have morphology.
NB I have recommended that FL include the Referents database in Basic (which probably means they also have to include Biblical Places and Biblical Things datasets).
Dave
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Is the new sermon writing guide/tool included in the free logos 7 basic download?
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NB I have recommended that FL include the Referents database in Basic (which probably means they also have to include Biblical Places and Biblical Things datasets).
Thanks for the under-the-hood explanation, Dave.
If FL wants people to get a real feel for the software, they should add the referents dataset. I think places and things would be extra helpful to add as well. That would mean expanding Factbook, too, which would be a good thing.
As it is, there will be inevitable questions (like the one just asked) about why a search that the software offers doesn't work. That will produce frustration and disappointment.
You get one chance to make a good first impression. I hope FL will reconsider your suggestion.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Is the new sermon writing guide/tool included in the free logos 7 basic download?
The Sermon Starter Guide is. The Sermon Document (the authoring tool) is not.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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What happens when a Logos Now user having a Logos 6 base package gets logos 7 Basic?
I assume nothing changes. Except for owning the Logos 7 Basic engine added to his base package. Right?
Luuk
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I assume nothing changes. Except for owning the Logos 7 Basic engine added to his base package. Right?
Your engine changes to Logos 7. You may get a resource or two you don't already have (access-only, not ownership).
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Your engine changes to Logos 7.
As a LN user I thought I am already using the Logos 7 engine, although not owning it:
Therefore I assume nothing changes. Or do I misunderstand something?
Luuk
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Therefore I assume nothing changes.
Yes, in this case you already have the current engine. However, as I said, you may get a few resources. Check the list for "New to You" here.
EDIT: The resources I would get are of no interest to me so I have not 'purchased' Basic. Like you, I have Logos Now and have been using L7 for some time.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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NB I have recommended that FL include the Referents database in Basic (which probably means they also have to include Biblical Places and Biblical Things datasets).
Thanks for the under-the-hood explanation, Dave.
If FL wants people to get a real feel for the software, they should add the referents dataset. I think places and things would be extra helpful to add as well. That would mean expanding Factbook, too, which would be a good thing.
As it is, there will be inevitable questions (like the one just asked) about why a search taht the software offers doesn't work. That will produce frustration and disappointment.
You get one chance to make a good first impression. I hope FL will reconsider your suggestion.
Thanks, Dave and Mark. Makes sense, and yes, it might be better to either make the search possible or take it out of the right-click menu.
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Correct. We don't revoke your permanent licenses.
Logos 7 Basic is aimed at the new user, but will also serve as the free update to Logos 7 for the existing base package owner.
Thanks Phil for clarifying. I thought otherwise when I first came across the offer.
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This is a great offering. I have already recommended it to a friend, and I expect to recommend it to many more people.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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What specific resources are accessible with this package? Bible Translations, Greek/Hebrew Lexicons, Commentaries, etc.
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What specific resources are accessible with this package? Bible Translations, Greek/Hebrew Lexicons, Commentaries, etc.
You can see this on the product page at https://www.logos.com/product/136022/basic
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What specific resources are accessible with this package? Bible Translations, Greek/Hebrew Lexicons, Commentaries, etc.
Scroll through the Product Page and you will see what's in the package.
EDIT: I see you beat me to it Graham. [:)]
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this is a great thing!
may I make a suggestion? Would it not be good to include SBL Greek, since it is free anyway and it will give the prospective new user the ability to play around with original language stuff?
I believe it's included. It should be listed in the Library under "The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition".
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I believe it's included. It should be listed in the Library under "The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition".
No, it is not included.
I suspect that a Greek NT may be outside the need of the projected Logos7 Basic user.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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