Logos 7 Basic Available Now (formerly free core engine)

Mark Smith said:

Your engine changes to Logos 7.

As a LN user I thought I am already using the Logos 7 engine, although not owning it:

Therefore I assume nothing changes. Or do I misunderstand something?

Mark Smith said:

Dave Hooton said:

NB I have recommended that FL include the Referents database in Basic (which probably means they also have to include Biblical Places and Biblical Things datasets).

Thanks for the under-the-hood explanation, Dave.

If FL wants people to get a real feel for the software, they should add the referents dataset. I think places and things would be extra helpful to add as well. That would mean expanding Factbook, too, which would be a good thing.

As it is, there will be inevitable questions (like the one just asked) about why a search taht the software offers doesn't work. That will produce frustration and disappointment.

You get one chance to make a good first impression. I hope FL will reconsider your suggestion.

Thanks, Dave and Mark. Makes sense, and yes, it might be better to either make the search possible or take it out of the right-click menu.

This is a great offering. I have already recommended it to a friend, and I expect to recommend it to many more people.

Mark, maybe for a lot of people. But... there are youth group leaders at my church who have studied Greek at university. They aren't seminary trained but have enough of an interest to want it. 

Additionally, it will look good on the product page and if it's free anyway, then... why not?

I agree with Mark's 'projected' user. I write neural nets that can re-write the NT in greek (maybe a few style issues) and I like the languages.

But if the user is intro, greek will scare them off. The OT/NT interlinears are perfect.  Then attach pointers to free Logos resources (like SBL), etc.  Keep it 'basic'.

Like what, Petah?

I don't see how it scares people off any more than including the Greek / English lectionaries does..?

"So, if one is interested in Greek, they could download the free SBL edition and check out some of the things Logos can do with original languages using Logos 7 Basic."

But would they know how to do this? Why not just include it...

While I understand this perspective, I must say that I know lots (a majority) of people serving in parish ministry who have lost their ability to work in the biblical languages for whom Logos and a reverse interlinear would be a great way to become reintroduced to tools they have forgotten since Seminary. I'm noodling around developing some material for local groups of pastors that suggests ways they can use those long-lost Greek and Hebrew skills in their preaching workflow. I've always thought I'd work from the  STEP Bible tool because it integrates a nice set of texts and reference tools at a great price (as in free). I'd prefer Logos because I know Logos can grow with them through their careers. May of the people I know made investmetns in tools like Bibleworks (even an occasional Gramcord user), so they are already skeptical about investing in tools they may not use. Somethiing lite but functional would be great. I wonder if the interface could be adjusted....some kind of original languages very lite offering for free or a very nominal fee ($49.99) that is simply the Logos 7 Basic package with some additional resources and tweeks to the interface. They are different markets, but my experience with collegues leads me to believe that there is a need to be addressed in both areas.

Daniel Di Bartolo said:

In the near future, the free resources that you're given access to on mobile will be the Logos Basic collection.

Thanks for the update, Daniel!

Here's the list of mobile resources which Kevin had posted earlier.

Sean Boisen said:

SGL GNT and some other resources are freely (but separately) available for users that want them

I did not find the link easily.  Is it possible to provide a link that new users can easily find that would list free resources or suggested cheap resources that can be added to this starter package?

This is done by other Bible Software companies.  It is a good idea.  If a new user can see how they can build up a library, they would then be more likely to purchase resources and eventually a package.

There is a large learning curve to Logos Bible Software.  Making it easier to locate resources will be a big help.

PetahChristian said:

The wiki has a list of free resources.

That is not the issue.  New users will not find this.

 I have purchased L7 basic twice once last week and another this week (today) and on the product page it's still not greyed out. So there must be a bug of some sort.

DAL 

DAL said:

I have purchased L7 basic twice once last week and another this week (today) and on the product page it's still not greyed out. So there must be a bug of some sort.

It's been broken since it first came out. I had reported it to no avail. Perhaps your post here will have better results! [:)]

Thank you alabama24 & Graham.  That's what I needed to know.

Best Regards,

Scott

SineNomine said:

It's not a huge improvement, but the Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 11th ed. is $19.95.

Using your link, I get $27 for that resource. You seem to be getting a discount, LogosNow perhaps?